A thought about Bane. What-if it wasn't Aetherflow locked?

[Angry_Evil]

Summoner AOE dps is fine, so I don't see why SE would change how any of smn's aoe skills work.

So what-if instead of needing stacks for bane how about casting bane instead or making it an ogcd with it's own 30 sec cooldown?

I'll tell you what if - it will add even more aoe dps to summoner which he doesn't actually need.
This job has much bigger problems than how bane works.

[Bigcat9715]

Summoner AOE dps is fine, so I don't see why SE would change how any of smn's aoe skills work.

I'll tell you what if - it will add even more aoe dps to summoner which he doesn't actually need.
This job has much bigger problems than how bane works.

the Dps is fine until your DoT's have fallen off the mobs and can't Bane again until after you go into DWT, and thats if Aetherflow is off cooldown. How about when your running into another mob with 3 Stacks of Aethertrail, so now you can't bane and at this point your only Aoe would only be Deathflare. Bane has already been nerfed into the ground. If anything it will make the DoTs more consistent in fights kinda like how Rdm and Blm can keep up a consist aoe against mobs at all times. Outside of annoyance of Bane, Death & Demi-Bahamut programming seems to be the jobs only other problems besides that the job is fine.

[Angry_Evil]

the Dps is fine until your DoT's have fallen off the mobs and can't Bane again until after you go into DWT, and thats if Aetherflow is off cooldown.

Mobs should be long dead by that time. And even if that happen how much summoner dps do you think will go down? Also now we can use enkindle more frequent, that's another aoe skill.

How about when your running into another mob with 3 Stacks of Aethertrail, so now you can't bane and at this point your only Aoe would only be Deathflare.

Want it or not but summoner is all about planning and knowing the fight now. But even in your situation it pretty much means bahamut will be ready after deathflare and will annihilate mobs anyway. So it is on you to plan usage of your stacks and skills during the dungeon(or any fight).

[Angry_Evil]

Bane has already been nerfed into the ground. If anything it will make the DoTs more consistent in fights kinda like how Rdm and Blm can keep up a consist aoe against mobs at all times.

I see consistently great aoe dps both in 60 and 70 dungeons. Usually on par with BLMs and better than RDMs. Now that you don't need to think about timer of athertrails stacks you can use aetherflow more freely too.

Outside of annoyance of Bane, Death & Demi-Bahamut programming seems to be the jobs only other problems besides that the job is fine.

Yeah it's fine, that's probably why we have several threads here with constant whine about how summoners are weak, aoe is weak, no sustain, weak heals, mp problems, brainless ruin spam, titan egi is useless, all egis are useless etc. nonstop. Cause job is perfectly fine.

[Bigcat9715]

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Maybe your right. I could see proper planning could give you a consistent steam of DoTs on to mobs that's probably why they need bane so hard.

yeahit's fine, that's probably why we have several threads here with constant whine about how summoners are weak, aoe is weak, no sustain, weak heals, mp problems, brainless ruin spam, titan egi is useless, all egis are useless etc. nonstop. Cause job is perfectly fine.

Smn is definitely not weak and even you said that it's Aoe can be on par with Non and better then Rdm. Sustain should come back, but Smn isn't a healer. I could see Mp being a problem, but even now I spam Ruin 3 outside of DWT, and as soon as I run out Lucid dreaming is off cooldown and ready to use again. To be honest Smn doesn't feel like a ruin spammer, it's more of burst phase job. I remember that titan egi could solo tank ramuh ex when the trial first came out, then they had to nerf Titan, so don't expect an buffs coming to it.