Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Mysterysword]

they refuse and kick dameron instead and now this saga is unfolding?

Yes, except include the ridiculous entitlement shown here.

But to get back on topic... I would like it if tanks could at least put some effort into trying to hold aggro from me. Personally, I don't care if the tank doesn't do a single point of damage the entire run. That's my job, as a BLM. But it gets a little difficult to do my job when mobs are chewing my face off because the tank couldn't be bothered to hit one button a few more times. Even worse when this is happening with a STR-geared tank, who isn't interested in holding aggro in the first place.

[Squintina]

If you can't think of any reasons why the guy might be in the right, don't bother defending him.

I'll give it a go.

First off I agree that TOS has nothing to do with this discussion because this isn't about whether he did a reportable offense. It's a discussion about courtesy. So I won't mention TOS.

The game doesn't define a criteria for what is considered a "need" or a "want" (greed). Nowhere is it suggested that a person only really needs an item if it's a stat/ilvl boost. They leave it to each individual player's own criteria of what they consider a "need". The only "need" criteria given by the game is whether the button shows up in the first place.

Now, personally I don't care about glamour and would never need for it, but I don't get to press other people's roll buttons so I don't get to define their definition of "need". Maybe that person is a RP-er who needed that glamour for a role, maybe he had a specific outfit in mind, maybe he's been running that dungeon for hours trying to get that specific glamour, or some other reason I can't think of. Whatever the case that is his definition of need, not mine, not yours.

He should have been nicer about telling you why he won't just let you have it (like actually stating one of the above reasons instead of just saying to f*** off), that was certainly rude. However, he still has the right to Need if he felt he needed it.

[Annah]

lol, this thread is more toxic than the Arum Vale on a Tuesday morning

[Pyro2hell3]

well im back again with 3 tales of my attempts to tank susno ex all involving warriors and none involving loot first was a one who never used defiance we crumpled like a piece paper when ever had arrgo second one was my first run in with a strength warrior who also spend the who fight dying and finally there was this one with a mix of strength and vit gear and oh boy this guy was bad died and every time he tanked suasno he had in stand in the zone of death zone in the middle crippling all of the meleel dps in our party so of course we didn't make the dps check

[Enla]

well im back again with 3 tales of my atempts to tank susno ex all involving warriors and none involving loot first was a one who never used defiance we cumpled like a piece paper when ever had arrgo second one was my first run in with a strength warrior twho also spend the who fight dying and finally there was ther one with a mix of stregnth and vit gear and oh boy this guy was bad died and every time he tak suasnon he hand in stand in the zone of death zone in the middle cripiile all of the mell dps in our party so of course we didn't make the dps check

I had a similar encounter with a Warrior in Susano EX that refused to use Defiance after the Sword Phase even to mitigate oncoming tank busters. My cohealer and I kept them up through several farm runs but it was far more of a chore than it had been before they joined. We both has almost no MP by the end of it and were constantly stressed trying to keep that Warrior alive, especially as they kept on dropping lightning on the party. It wasn't as if our party even needed the DPS as the farm had been going for long before that Warrior joined and we'd always skip one or two sets of Gaols at the end due to the high output the party was capable of, and due to their actions neither myself or my cohealer could help contribute which resulted in a net DPS loss. It's doable and I know people here will likely say that I shouldn't complain since we cleared for a few more runs, but that wasn't because of the tank. They objectively made the entire thing harder and had the rest of the party not been so on point we'd likely have had to disband.

Please... PLEASE... At least move back to Defiance for tank busters or when you're MTing. Our mana pools and the overall group DPS will thank you. I have no idea where this recent meta of tanking EXCLUSIVELY in your DPS stance has come from but frankly I'm getting rather tired of it.

[Averax]

I didn't think susano normal was that difficult, but apparently it is for some people. We had two WHMs that couldn't muster the heals to keep the tank alive from very healable damage. The OT never taunted when the MT died, which lead to death snowballing through the entire group. I had to verraise half the group, and got everyone alive for the DPS check, which they failed.

I couldn't even contribute to the DPS check because i had to run and get the balls before they smashed into the group, because nobody would do it consistantly. On top of that, i had to heal the tank who was doing the sword thing because the WHMs didn't even throw regens on him

[Lilseph]

I have no idea where this recent meta of tanking EXCLUSIVELY in your DPS stance has come from but frankly I'm getting rather tired of it.

It's not recent, this has been a thing for quite a bit. However, competent tanks will how how to rotate cds in DPS stance for optimal mitigation. Swapping back to tank stance is something they do if they run out of strong CDs.

[Crysten]

Entitlement 101

[Vidu]

So, I'm leveling scholar atm - currently at 68, Dom Castle time! A dungeon I already dont like to much to be honest.

While leveling I had a few intresting runs - mostly consisting of tanks, wearing strenght-accsessories, pulling multiple groups and droping their tankstance half way through a two or three group pull. Fun times! Specially as scholar who kinda lacks proper big heals - if the dps isnt good, I just dont have enough lustrates to heal through the second surprise-group and the lack of tank-stance.
But well, somehow you manage - even manage to put some extra dps in.

That little scholar-tank-rant asside: Doma castle just now. No "new player here" message pop ups. The level 70 paladin is in full 270 strength (but melded with vit, puts his HP maybe 2k above mine) and goes for big pulls. The samurai seems okay, but the summoner... the summoner seems not to know about bane and dot-speading. Anytime I have the chance to take a look at the mobs, I can only see mine - I check the partylist and... ah, french. Only french. So I figure I dont even bother asking since I dont speak french.
During the first boss the dots appear, so maybe he just forgot before? All good... or so I think!
We get to the second boss and that level 67 SMN, who isnt new to the dungeon (remember: no message!) runs away with the stack-marker and dies in a corner. Okay, quick explantion in party-chat and a raise. Stupid me explained in english though, so the SMN obviously doesnt understand and runs away with the marker again... I choose not to raise him a second time since my MP are to precious to waste them on someone who dies this stupidly.
After the boss is dead he stays there lying for a good more 20 seconds, expecting a raise that he doesnt get - I'm not raising someone with weakness when they can just take the shortcut.
We're on our way to the final boss now - his DoTs have disappeared, making everything die painfully slow. Its at this point I realise: The final boss as even MORE markers that you have to handle correctly... oh boy, thats gonna be fun...
We go in and the SMN gets the first bomb-marker that you have to place in a corner - and hallelujah, he does that! Walks over into a corner and... stays there. Drops the marker on the ground and stands on top of it to get killed instantly. I had made up my mind before already: No raise for him if he does that and he must have read my mind because he returned immidiatly.
With only one DPS and less healer-dps (because I had to heal more) I got to see mechanics on that boss I didnt saw before... fun times. Tank died at some point because of a badly placed bomb, samurai died because of... something, but somehow we made it with the SMN standing outside of the gate just watching.

Each time I encounter a person like this I regret a little that we didnt wipe and kicked them so they'll noticed they're doing something terribly, terribly wrong...

[Enla]

It's not recent, this has been a thing for quite a bit. However, competent tanks will how how to rotate cds in DPS stance for optimal mitigation. Swapping back to tank stance is something they do if they run out of strong CDs.

Seems I've been sadly getting the incompetent ones then. ):