SE's Responsibility: Housing Situation

[artemos7]

http://kotaku.com/two-final-fantasy-...par-1796692020

Barely a week after server restriction measures, and expansion release, the reviews of the game are being overshadowed by this article on the popular gaming site Kotaku. In the comments section you can read player discussion on how it is SE's fault that they let this happen, and that people who didn't know about the game certainly ARE finding out about it, but not in a good way.

I understand the difference in cultures, but faith in the player base to be respectful to one another should not be the policy. SE should have put measures in a long time ago to prevent these sorts of things, even if it was only on the US-side. We are a truly capitalist society where any excuse to justify greed and lack of empathy for others is normal, and SE takes a stand against some and crumbles in the face of others. PLEASE figure this out!

[AphraelAmarantha]

SE should have limited it to where only one player can have one home. You still have to work for it and there still would be limited plots available, but then you wouldn't have one person buying up all the lots. That I think would make it more fair.

[Venjamin]

Shenanigans. Players didn't want to go to the low-pop server outcast for years. Now that they're here, it's not anyone else's obligation to accommodate them.

[Raveykins]

Players can only have 1 FC home, 1 personal house, 1 apartment and 1 FC room. Mind you to get more personal houses you have to have alts to 50, max rank in GC, and own an FC on alts to rank 6 (FC rank) to even buy land. So they exploited the system SE has in place to obtain 28 homes between the two of them o.o

[SonKevin]

It's just disgusting what these players did. It shows their absolute greed and abuse of the system. SE should have restricted housing to one house per server on an account. If that person had multiple characters on that server, the house would be shared among them. There's no reason for these people to own this many houses outside of pure uncontrolled greed. Not to mention their justifications were completely arrogant and snobby. They literally talk down on people saying that they didn't work hard enough for housing. How gross. It's really amazes me how tone deaf people with a little money (even virtual) can be. Guess everyone should just quit their jobs and their lives to grind out that gil. It's just a shame that most people have more decency than those two.

[Venjamin]

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Wrong. You can have 1 of each per character. That's the system in place. It's not an exploit, nowhere does it say 1 plot per player. It's 1 plot / fc / etc per character. They are functioning within the rules, and did so without inconveniencing anyone until whiny people started migrating to Mateus.

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It shows their resolution and dedication. The system wasn't abused - SE "should have/could have/would have" is a meaningless thing to say. They didn't. So these people operated WITHIN THE RULES to get what they got, and they don't even need to justify it to you or anyone else. The fact that they gave you a reason at all is generous on their part - they could have just said "fuck off, got mine."

They aren't wrong. They DID do the work, and they did it over the span of a year+. All the people who migrated over had the same opportunity at ANY TIME prior to them owning those plots to come over. Heck, they could have done it any time before the Great Migration, but they chose not to. Housing just wasn't that important to them like it was to these two people.

It wasn't greed, it was 'hard work.' ( I mean, after all, it's still a game. ) But they put the time and effort into it, and it shouldn't be held against them. They're talking down to people who are giving them shit for how they chose to play the game, and frankly, those people who are harassing the two of them are just being whiny, entitled little brats. People who hopped to Mateus with the rush of free stuff deserve nothing else, let alone something that was worked on by two individuals for such a long period of time.

Frankly, the only thing disgusting is all the people complaining that "we never had a chance to buy these plots!" when they absolutely did.

[SonKevin]

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It shows their lack of an outside life than their resolution and dedication. The majority of people don't have time to dedicate to do everything they did. They have jobs, families, and lives. They do not have all day and all night to play FFXIV. However, your belief is that these people don't deserve anything. Even though they can afford the housing and worked as hard as they can. The people who sink the most amount of time into the game deserve all the housing instead? There's something seriously wrong with the train of logic.

Housing was a positive for them deciding to move. It's not easy to decide to just leave a server and it seems foolish to leave all your friends for a chance at a house, but with free server transfers and congestion at an all time high, it seemed like a fair deal. People could finally get the chance at a house and entire groups of people could leave the congested servers for free. You can't fault them for not leaving just for a house. They had lives and communities built on these servers and when they were offered a free transfer they took it likely because they didn't have time to sit in queues or other issues.

It is greed. They bought more than they ever needed. What are two players going to do with 28 houses? It's two players. Greed is an inordinate or insatiable longing for unneeded excess, especially for excess wealth, status, power, or food. They bought an unneeded excess of housing. Even if you were to fill every single house up, they'll just sit there with no purpose. No one visiting them. No one using them. It's an eyesore on the entire server to know that two players purchased 28 houses for apparently no real reason. They bought them for themselves and only for themselves. This is a MMO and they carved a small part of the world for just the two of them.

It's also not meaningless to say that SE should have done something. SE probably looked at it like they normally look at problems. Would this happen on a JP server? No? Well they didn't bother to implement something that would stop this. You notice we only hear good stories out of the JP servers while all the negative stories seem to come from NA servers? It really makes you think.

[Venjamin]

It shows their lack of an outside life than their resolution and dedication. The majority of people don't have time to dedicate to do everything they did. They have jobs, families, and lives. They do not have all day and all night to play FFXIV. However, your belief is that these people don't deserve anything. Even though they can afford the housing and worked as hard as they can. The people who sink the most amount of time into the game deserve all the housing instead? There's something seriously wrong with the train of logic.

That. Is. Not. Their. Problem. Again, they bought 28 plots ( the estimate being about 150 mil total ) over the course of a year or MORE. You can make that much gil in a fairly short amount of time - i have FC mates who have made 2-3 million in a single day of playing. Multiply that by two, and it wouldn't have taken very long if they just grinded it out daily, but hey, they likely had jobs and families and outside lives to attend to, otherwise they likely could have bought all that in a month of hardcore gaming. So yeah, they took plenty of time to do it. They sank time and effort and deserve only what they've bought. The train of logic is simple: Did they buy the plot? Yes? Then they get the freaking plot. No argument.

Housing was a positive for them deciding to move. It's not easy to decide to just leave a server and it seems foolish to leave all your friends for a chance at a house, but with free server transfers and congestion at an all time high, it seemed like a fair deal. People could finally get the chance at a house and entire groups of people could leave the congested servers for free. You can't fault them for not leaving just for a house. They had lives and communities built on these servers and when they were offered a free transfer they took it likely because they didn't have time to sit in queues or other issues.

It was a fair deal. They came to Mateus to get away from the congestion and to get the bonuses for transferring to our server. They got exactly what they were promised. No one said they'd get specific plots in specific wards, and there were still quite a few plots open all over before the Great Migration. I don't fault them for not leaving over a house. I fault them for COMPLAINING about it NOW. These two people have lives and a community built on Mateus - are they supposed to just give that up because a bunch of people got sick of wait times? No. If housing was the deal breaker, these complainers could have come sooner, and convinced their FC / friends to transfer. It's cut and dry.

It is greed. They bought more than they ever needed. What are two players going to do with 28 houses? It's two players. Greed is an inordinate or insatiable longing for unneeded excess, especially for excess wealth, status, power, or food. They bought an unneeded excess of housing. Even if you were to fill every single house up, they'll just sit there with no purpose. No one visiting them. No one using them. It's an eyesore on the entire server to know that two players purchased 28 houses for apparently no real reason. They bought them for themselves and only for themselves. This is a MMO and they carved a small part of the world for just the two of them.

They decorated. They made themed homes for themed characters. It's no more 'unneeded excess' than playing a game in the first place. None of us need to game - does that make us 'greedy'? Nah. It makes us bored. It wasn't unneeded to them - they needed the plots around them to look nice, they needed the space to grow for their plans. The purpose doesn't have to suit anyone else but the people that bought it. If I buy a plot right now and do nothing with it, that's my prerogative, because I bought the plot. You're right. They bought it for themselves, and they kindly said "Hey, feel free to use the area or any of the unlocked houses for RP or whatnot." Rather than locking all the houses down 'just for themselves.' They carved out a small part of the world - and good on them for doing it. They took the time and effort - and I must repeat that it took them OVER A YEAR to do this.

If housing wasn't that important BEFORE people moved to Mateus, it remains just as non-important now.

It's also not meaningless to say that SE should have done something. SE probably looked at it like they normally look at problems. Would this happen on a JP server? No? Well they didn't bother to implement something that would stop this. You notice we only hear good stories out of the JP servers while all the negative stories seem to come from NA servers? It really makes you think.

They don't need to 'implement something' to stop this. Other players could have stopped this without SE ever having gotten involved - by buying plots. But they didn't want to, so now other people have. Life moves on.

[Strywin]

Yes, SE does need to stop something like this from happening if they can't bring themselves to release more wards for housing. Housing is heavily sought out by the playerbase and even has content locked behind it, the content I don't find too important but is still content regardless. You cannot just say the players could have stopped this because why would they? Lol if people find a way that benefits them they are going to continue to do just that. I do agree that mateus was not important too long ago though but thanks to square enix it is now but yeah I get it they worked hard to buy those homes that will go mostly unused. When the new wards open up for shirogane we could probably expect this non sense to continue further locking out FC' & other players from grabbing a house unless SE actually decides to do something about this issue because after all this is an MMO, you're playing with other people & housing is still so limited across all worlds since 2.1 pretty much.

[Venjamin]

I can say the players could have stopped this. All they would have had to do was come to Mateus before the rush, and buy housing. They didn't. So they didn't get the plots. It's not rocket science.