Has the problem with WHM in raids fixed in SB?

[Ghishlain]

The current kit WHM offers a high level of healing sustainability that gives groups more survival and "oops" correction. For pick up progression groups this will allow them to see mechanics further. For PuG clear / farm groups, this will allow them to have a safety factor to account for differing play styles and adapting to strategies they may not normally employ with statics or other PuG groups.

The flaw of AST (and I'm going to say specifically AST) was that is was so overbuffed that it overshadowed everything WHM could do. They could heal better - they had better MP management - they had better utility.

Now in 4.X WHM has better healing through oGCD and MP management through Assize / Thin Air / Lucid Dreaming where as AST has better raw output and Utility.

Not everyone on the planet is going to be able to play flawlessly. Player make mistakes. We're all not going to play at the same calibur that world first and speed run kill groups will be able to. Anyone trying to adhere to that meta without the ability to play at that skill level will eventually fall and then the AST/SCH will have a harder time to pick up the pieces than WHM/AST. Not to say its impossible but it's up to the individual groups to decide if they want to run that risk or not.

Again, there is enough differences between WHM and AST now that you can pick a playstyle that's suitable for you. You didn't have that option before in 3.4. Even if WHM isn't meta, their pick rate will certainly be higher than it was in the 3.4 raid tier. If a Meta Shepple decides to lock out certain jobs due to "Meta" they probably lack the common sense to understand why it's meta and you don't want to be part of those groups.

Has anyone actually run the potency calculations and determined the absolute strength and weaknesses of each kit from a healing perspective? What they have and don't have available? Has anyone actually seen the HoT/oGCD healing WHM provides through their kit right now? It's immense.

[Risvertasashi]

Has anyone actually run the potency calculations and determined the absolute strength and weaknesses of each kit from a healing perspective? What they have and don't have available? Has anyone actually seen the HoT/oGCD healing WHM provides through their kit right now? It's immense.

There have been such posts on reddit. While you're right to point out WHM has more oGCDs, SB shored up AST here considerably (which also helps out AST's MP management).

One such high end raider/competing for world firsts-type did note that he thought AST+WHM would be the composition for progression groups preferring stability. (I can probably dig up the post if you're interested, though it's less focused on potencies/the numbers).

However... that kind of hinges on SCH staying where it is. SCH's healing output gets buffed, well...

AST is still a problem anyways. Some think SCH might have a place in certain types of parties. You'll notice that no one anywhere is suggesting that AST won't have a guaranteed slot.

[Ghishlain]

There have been such posts on reddit. While you're right to point out WHM has more oGCDs, SB shored up AST here considerably (which also helps out AST's MP management).

One such high end raider/competing for world firsts-type did note that he thought AST+WHM would be the composition for progression groups preferring stability. (I can probably dig up the post if you're interested, though it's less focused on potencies/the numbers).

However... that kind of hinges on SCH staying where it is. SCH's healing output gets buffed, well...

AST is still a problem anyways. Some think SCH might have a place in certain types of parties. You'll notice that no one anywhere is suggesting that AST won't have a guaranteed slot.

Are you talking about this post? If so, I found it an excellent read when he first posted it. I'm a huge fan of his insight xD

[KDSilver]

Personnaly, I switch to WHM for the upcoming raid tier.

Let's be honest however : I still think the lilies system sucks (as well as plenary indulgence).

But the reason I made this choice was because I think WHM has now an awesome recovery ability thanks to his great pool of mana, Assize to 60s, Benediction to 3min, Divine Benision as an insta shield for tank buster.

I have now have no fear to cast some Cure II because I know it won't hurt my mana while I casted more Cure before to have the free cure II proc.
Same goes for aoe healing and espically medica ii that is powerful but cost a lot of mana.

So, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying WHM is fine right now, but there are some changes they made that I really like and make me really confortable to play it.

The fact that I can have 2 free raises and others strong healing stuff sounds good for me during learning times.