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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhearil View Post
    Theres a difference between having enough hp to endure tankbusters and wearing str accesories, and wearing str accesories with not enough hp. On the first case is only the tank fault if the tank doesnt use cds, on the second case is always the tank fault due to failing at maths.

    Lets not talk about extremes, since the idea is survive+ have extra dps. Most of the tanks will say that they play switching vit/str accesories, depending on the fight needs
    If this was the case there wouldn't be any question, because nobody would care if the tanks had DPS or not. You seem to think that there are healers out there that get angry if the tanks are doing more DPS than them, which I don't believe is the case. The problem is that tanks that wear ilvl 270 str accessories are doing so to the detriment of the healer. The stress levels of healing someone who can survive an auto attack after a susano tank buster compared to someone who cannot is night and day. And it is the ones that cannot that are the first to jump down the healer's throat for 'bad healing' and add to the misery of the experience. The reason why the discussion exists and why healers do not want tanks wearing STR accessories is because they're often idiots about it at best, rude idiots at worst and their fun and exciting playstyle is inflicting agony on those who have to make up the slack.

    Imagine I was a DPS wearing ilvl appropriate gear to get into a run. Then once I got into the group and into the run, I switched all my gear to 100 ilvls below so that I could only do just enough damage to fulfill the DPS check requirements, instead of wearing the proper gear that I had. People would be upset with me, no doubt about it. I bet they'd be even more angry if I told the rest of the group it was their responsibility to make up the slack. Tanks dropping their gear to the point where they are only barely capable of fulfilling the requirement of [NOT DYING INSTANTLY] (or only being able to as long as the next auto attack doesn't crit, that's a real fun RNG to hinge a wipe/clear on), and then expecting healers to make up the slack are exactly why str accessories are a problem.

    So yes. There are the good tanks that are adjust their gear accordingly and are careful not to put such strain on their healers that they quit the group after witnessing the first tankbuster. But because of all the bad tanks circlejerking the MOAR STR, MOAR DPS meta and refusing to wear any vit accessories and torturing the healer playerbase in the process, it's enough of a problem that SE acknowledges it and is going to do something to fix it.

    I just pray it's something that means I'll never see a tank wearing ilvl 270 right side in Omega Savage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Demise View Post
    I just pray it's something that means I'll never see a tank wearing ilvl 270 right side in Omega Savage.
    I imagine in progression gear that a Savage tankbuster will 1 shot a tank in STR 270's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyperSMB View Post
    I imagine in progression gear that a Savage tankbuster will 1 shot a tank in STR 270's.
    I don't think so. Especially with a paladin and dark knight pairing, since they can protect each other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elim View Post
    I don't think so. Especially with a paladin and dark knight pairing, since they can protect each other.
    Fair enough, I did not consider that. I REALLY don't want to have to babysit paper tanks...
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyperSMB View Post
    I imagine in progression gear that a Savage tankbuster will 1 shot a tank in STR 270's.
    Susano EX can already oneshot them nicely within the first 30 seconds of the fight if Asail(? The telegraphed tank buster) or the auto attack after it crits. Bad tanks are more likely to not mitigate it because it's not as obvious as Stormsplitter. To be fair, the tank getting oneshot before the first mechanic is usually a pretty good sign there's only pain if you stick around.

    You know how white mages are supposed to let tanks hover around 95% hp so that their regens/the tanks self healing doesn't go to waste and all that? Yeah they can't be missing any health at all before a butterfly lands on them or else they might crumple and die from the damage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Demise View Post
    Susano EX can already oneshot them nicely within the first 30 seconds of the fight if Asail(? The telegraphed tank buster) or the auto attack after it crits. Bad tanks are more likely to not mitigate it because it's not as obvious as Stormsplitter. To be fair, the tank getting oneshot before the first mechanic is usually a pretty good sign there's only pain if you stick around.

    You know how white mages are supposed to let tanks hover around 95% hp so that their regens/the tanks self healing doesn't go to waste and all that? Yeah they can't be missing any health at all before a butterfly lands on them or else they might crumple and die from the damage.
    She was talking about savage though. One assumes tanks and healers in savage aren't complete sh@#! and know how to mitigate and time heals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Demise View Post
    Susano EX can already oneshot them nicely within the first 30 seconds of the fight if Asail(? The telegraphed tank buster) or the auto attack after it crits. Bad tanks are more likely to not mitigate it because it's not as obvious as Stormsplitter.
    You're right it's not telegraphed but as a DRK you can eat it out of Grit easily, Shadow Wall + TBN makes it hit for 7kish, you can just hop into Grit for the last one and time another TBN + Reprisal and it'll hit for 11k. Bad tanks that can't mitigate will continue to be bad and bad str tanks that eat it all with nothing again will be bad it's not just a str or vit tank thing a good tank will survive it easier than a bad one and it's really noticeable.

    What really makes me mad is that if people mess the lightning marker mechanic as a tank with 4/5 STR accessories I will die, won't deny that so I hope these changes here soon eliminates stuff like that because it's honestly ridiculous and I don't feel tanky at all. I just want my HP and damage to compliment each other I rolled with str tanking in Gordias and end of ARR honestly didn't like it but I adapt whether I like it or not.
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    Last edited by Awful; 07-07-2017 at 06:48 PM.