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  1. #11
    Player Theodric's Avatar
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    Matthieu Desrosiers
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    Cerberus
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    Reaper Lv 90
    At the end of the day, a tank's primary duty is to soak up damage. I have no issue with them dishing out damage as a secondary affair but they should not be able to reach similar numbers to pure DPS classes.

    It causes a mess, too, since 'famous' players do it and cause others inspired by them to follow in their footsteps even if they're far from capable of pulling off such bold decisions flawlessly.
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  2. #12
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    Maku Haikasu
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    Mateus
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    Black Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by HyperSMB View Post
    My only issue with Tanks in STR is in dungeons.

    I do WAY more AoE DPS as a WHM than you do as a Tank. Every second I need to stop to Cure 2 you is a Holy I don't do.

    This a million times this. My Gravity spamming adds more DPS than your STR acces add. Just survive longer so I can DPS longer.

    That being said, PLDs who are not afraid to heal themselves with clemency, we healers LOVE YOU!!!!
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    可愛い悪魔

  3. #13
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    Cadmar Locke
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    Hyperion
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    Gladiator Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Maku View Post
    This a million times this. My Gravity spamming adds more DPS than your STR acces add. Just survive longer so I can DPS longer.

    That being said, PLDs who are not afraid to heal themselves with clemency, we healers LOVE YOU!!!!
    And Clemency is based on STR. Seeeeeeeeee, even more reason lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barboron View Post
    You're a warrior of light and can't even defeat Twintania with a 20% echo buff? Thanks for the offer but I'll find someone else to save the world.

  4. #14
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    Nonni Brilante
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    Moogle
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    Paladin Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Cadmar View Post
    And Clemency is based on STR. Seeeeeeeeee, even more reason lol
    And then you don't have enough health to survive the cast time. Seeeeeeeeee, even more reason against it.
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    Cadmar Locke
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    Hyperion
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    Gladiator Lv 70
    So, legit question here because I'm curious about your thoughts. Do you feel that tanks should stay in "tank stance" for the duration of all fights too then? It's basically the same argument, and there is a ton of benefit when it comes to stance dancing.

    Again, I'm talking mainly boss, raid, EX and not dungeon mass pulls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barboron View Post
    You're a warrior of light and can't even defeat Twintania with a 20% echo buff? Thanks for the offer but I'll find someone else to save the world.

  6. #16
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    AziraSyuren's Avatar
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    Azira Syuren
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    Balmung
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    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Kazrah View Post
    And then you don't have enough health to survive the cast time. Seeeeeeeeee, even more reason against it.
    There's no content in the game that melts your health so fast that you can't even get a Clemency off, even in full strength, outside of the ridiculous super-pulls you can do in some of the leveling dungeons.
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  7. #17
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    Nonni Brilante
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    Moogle
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    Paladin Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by AziraSyuren View Post
    There's no content in the game that melts your health so fast that you can't even get a Clemency off, even in full strength, outside of the ridiculous super-pulls you can do in some of the leveling dungeons.
    And when was the last time you saw other tanks doing single-group pulls?
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  8. #18
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    TouchandFeel's Avatar
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    Vespereaux Vaillantes
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    Exodus
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    Paladin Lv 91
    Quote Originally Posted by Cirith View Post
    So this tank goes in pulls 1 group of 3 monsters, takes 3 hits and died before the heal can be off. I'm on my dps watching this tank wearing all strength jewelry and I'm like are you serious why would you wear dps jewelry as a tank?
    Honestly, if the tank is being dropped in like 3-4 hits on a 3 pack, they were probably doing a lot more wrong than just wearing STR accessories.
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  9. #19
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    Elim's Avatar
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    Elim Lovecraft
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    Faerie
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    I understand and accept that tanks (at least my raid tanks) will use STR jewelry for as long as they're better than tank jewelry. All that matters is that they have enough HP to survive tank busters -- at least for high end groups. More STR(DPS) is more beneficial to the raid group than excess HP. That said, it wouldn't bother me if they restricted the STR jewelry. :P I lived through 2.0 and had my fill of STR tanks.
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    Last edited by Elim; 07-07-2017 at 06:25 AM. Reason: typo
    Recently returned player.

  10. #20
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    Moonlite's Avatar
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    Midnight Falcon
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    Balmung
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    Pugilist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaelk View Post
    Do I think tanks should wear strength accessories in order to increase their DPS at the expense of survivability? No. Do I think that people playing tanks have the right to play the way they wish, at the expense of their own party? Yes. Why is that? Because eventually they will be ostracized, duty finder groups will kick them out, they won't be able to continue progressing and they will either wear the gear that allows them to succeed, or they will switch to playing DPS and remove themselves from the already low tank pool.
    I just wanted to say I agree with the idea in the past. I liked when communities policed players behavior. The advent of a computer forming groups mean those players will continue to make others lives miserable for as long as they play a sub. So i try to que with players I know. In this day in age you don't expect a hot mess from the duty finder should probably have yourself checked out.


    Also to the people "I need the dps for hate." No you don't if SE will just keep adjusting Savage Blade
    Enmity effect has been increased. Flash
    Enmity effect has been increased.It is just as easy for them to adjust that. In fact it keeps tanks better off since you get the hate increase automatically with patch while dps have to gear.
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    Last edited by Moonlite; 07-07-2017 at 04:34 AM.

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