As a new player, running through the Praetorium dungeon was the worst

[Fynlar]

There's a lot of overexaggeration on the cutscene length in this thread. CM has maybe around 10 minutes of cutscene length, Prae maybe around 15. (This is assuming you read/scroll the text around as fast as the VAs speak it.)

I can safely say through multiple personal experiences, having someone go through the cutscenes (and actually waiting on them) isn't suddenly going to make either of these dungeons take around "an hour", especially if the other 7 people in the party massively overgear the dungeon, which they usually do.

[Nixxe]

There's a lot of overexaggeration on the cutscene length in this thread. CM has maybe around 10 minutes of cutscene length, Prae maybe around 15. (This is assuming you read/scroll the text around as fast as the VAs speak it.)

I can safely say through multiple personal experiences, having someone go through the cutscenes (and actually waiting on them) isn't suddenly going to make either of these dungeons take around "an hour", especially if the other 7 people in the party massively overgear the dungeon, which they usually do.

The cutscenes in Castrum Meridianum are about 15 minutes long and the cutscenes in Praetorium are about 35 minutes long. If you don't believe me, you can look up videos on Youtube that are nothing but the cutscenes from either dungeon.

You make it sound as if every run has a new player, when it's not that way. So, if less people queued up for the story, it would just mean less runs without new players. And even then, aside from everything else that I told you on that post and that you didn't take into acount for your reply, if the worst came to happen then it would force SE to finally fix these dungeons.

Do you even do MSQ roulette? Probably 60% or so of the ones I do still have a bonus. That's not enough to fill a full team in a reasonable amount of time though.

You're basically just willing to hold the MSQ progression of the sprouts hostage so that SE is forced to fix old content, rather than be a little flexible and compromise so they can focus on more important things. That's incredibly selfish on your part.

You act as if you're making them a favour, when we both know that you run those dungeons because you want something out of it. So you both benefit and, on top of that, you get your reward doubled thanks to the new player. Taking that into consideration, by rushing the dungeon it's clear who is benefiting more.

No, that's something you're imagining. I'm merely suggesting there is mutual benefit, despite the players after tomestones not playing in accordance with your rather burdensome demands. Quite obviously they're there for tomestones. That's no secret and i don't think anyone has tried to say otherwise. It's just that it's better than the alternative, which is that those people who still need MSQ progression involving Castrum and Praetorium get stuck in an endless queue unless they get really lucky. I sincerely doubt you or your random nice people are willing to pick up the slack that would be created by kicking everyone who won't wait for cutscenes out of the MSQ roulette to make sure everyone gets their MSQ progression.

At the end of the day though, this is the other side of the same coin: Random groups are random. You don't get to pick them. You don't get to be the boss and play by the rules just because you've imagined that you have some sort of inherent claim to authority. If the group doesn't want to wait for cutscenes, then they don't have to. If it's super important to someone to watch the cutscenes, then make a group for it where you can control who is there. It's no different than what I tell people who scream and cry about players not playing up to their standards in the now defunct level 60 expert roulette. Random is random. If you can't deal with that, then you're the problem.

Hours? F*cking seriously? Exaggeration much? A full CS run through the MSQ will take one hour, tops. And who in the hell is queueing for the MSQ Roulette every single day? It is completely unrelated to end-game progression (no Tomestones of note are awarded), and it's unnecessary from an XP standpoint. There is absolutely nothing that is compelling players to run it. So if you're feeling like an impatient ass, go do something else, rather than queueing and throwing a fit about how much time it takes. You're like a volunteer at a soup kitchen yelling at people to move through the line quicker. If you don't want to do it, don't do it.

It's not an exaggeration, as you'd likely need to do multiple runs per day to make up for all of the slack created by doing as the other poster wants and kicking everyone who won't stand around for 35 minutes in Praetorium out of the MSQ roulette. The rest of your post really just proves my point that people aren't the least bit concerned with the consequences of their demands for "purity."

It's telling though that you're just openly insulting me while I'm being at least moderately polite and civil. But yeah, I'm the bad guy.

[BigRed5392]

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please remove your head from where the sun don't shine. as I stated, i ran this for my g/f 4+ times as we 2-man it. it did not take us an hour to run BOTH cm and prae. She watched all the cs, and i waited. most cs are 10-20 secs long. the longest CS's are around the ultima fight at 2 min in total. so please stop acting rude. People with attitudes like your do not belong in mmo. Newbies should come first. i've seen this thread pop up 40 times if not more since ARR 2.1 when i started, my g/f seen it more times as she started at launch.

Even befoe the msq roulette was added people acted like this.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

please remove your head from where the sun don't shine. as I stated, i ran this for my g/f 4+ times as we 2-man it. it did not take us an hour to run BOTH cm and prae. She watched all the cs, and i waited. most cs are 10-20 secs long. the longest CS's are around the ultima fight at 2 min in total. so please stop acting rude. People with attitudes like your do not belong in mmo. Newbies should come first. i've seen this thread pop up 40 times if not more since ARR 2.1 when i started, my g/f seen it more times as she started at launch.

Even befoe the msq roulette was added people acted like this.

Perhaps you ought to take your own advice.

Castrum - 14:39
Praetorium - 31:21

Even assuming your GF reads fast, there is no way you both didn't spend over twenty minutes just watching cut scenes in Praetorium.

honestly they should remove the skipping cutscene option from some of the older dungeons to let people watch it and not be rude about it =3

As noted, do this and no one will ever touch either Castrum or Praetorium again. The sheer length of the later's cut scenes is essentially asking upwards of seven other players to do nothing for twenty-five minutes so you can watch cut scenes. If you find a group willing, give them a hug but don't expect it.

[BigRed5392]

Perhaps you ought to take your own advice.

Castrum - 14:39
Praetorium - 31:21

Even assuming your GF reads fast, there is no way you both didn't spend over twenty minutes just watching cut scenes in Praetorium.



As noted, do this and no one will ever touch either Castrum or Praetorium again. The sheer length of the later's cut scenes is essentially asking upwards of seven other players to do nothing for twenty-five minutes so you can watch cut scenes. If you find a group willing, give them a hug but don't expect it.

poor excuse showing a youtube vide made for showing the cs. Those are made to showcase the cs, and are slowly viewed so people can read it.

why not film yourself doing a run of both showing cs at your pace and clock in the time.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

poor excuse showing a youtube vide made for showing the cs. Those are made to showcase the cs, and are slowly viewed so people can read it.

why not film yourself doing a run of both showing cs at your pace and clock in the time.

... that's the whole point. People who want to watch cut scenes aren't going to speed read through them. They'll want to enjoy it, which takes longer.

Because I don't have the equipment nor desire to waste an hour on this? When I did Praetorium way back when, it took over forty minutes after accounting for bosses and etc. Even if you cut that time by half, you're still asking potentially seven other player to do nothing so you can watch cut scenes. They aren't going to.

[Dualgunner]

poor excuse showing a youtube vide made for showing the cs. Those are made to showcase the cs, and are slowly viewed so people can read it.

why not film yourself doing a run of both showing cs at your pace and clock in the time.

Took your challenge, here ya go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpCoIjPHbO0

Took about an hour and a half, watching every cutscene and taking my time reading them aloud. Though my voice is literal garbage so you're forgiven if you (or your girl or friend don't want to) watch the whole thing. Also take into account most Lv70 DPS do more damage than an entire Lv50 party combined, so I was pushing through those dungeons faster in some cases than rushing 8 mans would.

It was a fun little side trip though. Got to refresh on a lot of plot points I missed out on my first run through. I highly suggest people go through and replay this just for the story.

[missybee]

Took your challenge, here ya go.

...he actually did it the absolute madman

[Nixxe]

Took your challenge, here ya go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpCoIjPHbO0

Took about an hour and a half, watching every cutscene and taking my time reading them aloud. Though my voice is literal garbage so you're forgiven if you (or your girl or friend don't want to) watch the whole thing. Also take into account most Lv70 DPS do more damage than an entire Lv50 party combined, so I was pushing through those dungeons faster in some cases than rushing 8 mans would.

It was a fun little side trip though. Got to refresh on a lot of plot points I missed out on my first run through. I highly suggest people go through and replay this just for the story.

I went and actually solo cleared an unsynced Praetorium on my 70 PLD. As far as I could tell, I was actually clearing it faster than they do at 50, at least in terms of combat.

[18:09]The Praetorium completion time: 40:46.

I absolutely blitzed the unvoiced cutscenes, and clicked through the text as fast as I could read it, which for one or two lines of text is basically as quickly as the speech bubble comes into my field of vision. I actually cut some of the voiced stuff off because I didn't want to wait for it to sit there for 15 seconds to finish making a dumb noise or something.

[Nixxe]

please remove your head from where the sun don't shine. as I stated, i ran this for my g/f 4+ times as we 2-man it. it did not take us an hour to run BOTH cm and prae. She watched all the cs, and i waited. most cs are 10-20 secs long. the longest CS's are around the ultima fight at 2 min in total. so please stop acting rude. People with attitudes like your do not belong in mmo. Newbies should come first. i've seen this thread pop up 40 times if not more since ARR 2.1 when i started, my g/f seen it more times as she started at launch.

Even befoe the msq roulette was added people acted like this.

My attitude is what, exactly? That we should value the time of everyone in the group and not demand the entire world revolve around us? Because as I mentioned earlier, I skipped these cutscenes when I was going through the first time because I felt it was unfair to the rest of the group. Had I known how undertuned the dungeon was, I might not have, but regardless, I would never be so utterly self-centered as to demand everyone else sit around twiddling their thumbs for 35 minutes when there are other workable options available to me. I watch every cutscene the first time through and I afford the same opportunity to others, which is why I won't complain if people are watching cutscenes in these dungeons, but my time and that of the other players in the group has value too and we are not just bots there for the benefit of the new player. It is unreasonable to expect us to sit around waiting for them to finish all of their cutscenes and if they try to force us to do so, we'll simply abandon MSQ roulette. Should something like that happen, I expect to see the lot of you that are complaining about what horrible people we are doing as many runs each day as you need to in order to make sure all of the sprouts get through in a timely fashion, your own in-game goals and real world responsibilities be damned.

I mean at 10-20 seconds long, sounds more like your girlfriend just skipped all of the cutscenes and what you were waiting on was her load times.