Can we talk about add-ons?

[Nixxe]

Now I don't know if FF has a PTR (I assume they do) but I never actually see guides out before the fights are released.

What I am trying to get at is in FF you don't really get the names or callings of what moves are being done by enemies unless you either watch their cast bar or the mechanics show themselves. The problem I would have is with DBM you don't learn what mechanics do what because the add-on tells you straight up to run away, get close and what not where as in FF you need to remember what the visual ques are.

Though now I feel like I am trying to explain my mind set all wrong. . .

There is no public testing of any kind for FFXIV. No friends and family alpha. No closed beta. No open beta. No PTR.

You are grossly overestimating how much a boss mod will hold your hand. If you don't know the fight yourself without the boss mod, the boss mod isn't going to save you on anything even remotely difficult. You will fail. You will get benched. You will get replaced. At least if your guild is even half decent. The way you think of boss mods is very common, but it is also very wrong. Their primary usage is timers to help plan cooldowns, as WoW doesn't build in nearly as many telegraphs as FFXIV does on critical abilities, and to simply make a noise when you are affected by a mechanic, which you should know how to respond to based on where you are in the fight without even looking to see what the mechanic is.

[BigRed5392]

There is no public testing of any kind for FFXIV. No friends and family alpha. No closed beta. No open beta. No PTR.

You are grossly overestimating how much a boss mod will hold your hand..

please.......... you can't do any content in WoW w/o people cussing you out for not having add-on. I've seen them, i've tried to use them it just tools that hold your hand nothing more.

also prts don;t work, WoWs ptr barely has the 10% of the community, and overwatch's ptr barely sees 1%

most ppl use it for a peek at content.

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yes yoshida gave up on add-ons because of the "i want a parser" community. The guys is a hardcore mmo player and knows how bad communities get when stuff like this is enforced by addon use. his big time mmo was dark ages of Camelot which i read was pretty hardcore, and had a decent pvp.

[Kosmos992k]

Pretty sure you just want to talk about parsers, damage meters and the like. That poor horse has been so thoroughly flogged to death that even it's hooves have been ground to dust by now.

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Um... You're not going to go anywhere in Mythic if you think having DBM means you don't need to learn the mechanics. WoW doesn't have blind raids because they do PTR testing and all of the top tier guilds go clear the fights on the PTR and videos and guides exist before it ever goes live.

::blinks::
Help me understand something, please. Why does anyone play a game where knowing in advance how something works is mandatory, and you are in effect discouraged - actively - from learning content by doing it? I have loved SB so far because we are all having to learn as we go, an it makes it so much more fun to tank dungeons when I don't know exactly what is coming an d have to respond, and figure out what is going on.

Well, I will be happy if SE and Yoshi stick to no add-ons and enforcement of the ToS whenever someone steps out of line in a way that is reportable.