balance through Balance

[Caduagm]

Did they really for AST? Because SCH would like to talk some about nerfed damage.

Did you ever compare healer damage? SCH and AST had about the SAME DPS Single-Target back to Heavensward.
Did you ever check fflogs?
Malefic 3 is the same potency Malefic 2 used to be (with cleric stance).
Did you actually see how much is the potency of Broil 2/Stone 4?
WHM easily OUT DPS AST by doing around 500-600 dps more.
SCH OUT DPS AST by doing 400-500 more DPS.
And for all those whm who wants a kind of utility, go learn how to dps, your dps was always amazing and now even more, stop wanting utility just to help your party while you are AFKing/Overhealing ALL THE TIME.

[Tridus]

Did you ever compare healer damage? SCH and AST had about the SAME DPS Single-Target back to Heavensward.
Did you ever check fflogs?
Malefic 3 is the same potency Malefic 2 used to be (with cleric stance).
Did you actually see how much is the potency of Broil 2/Stone 4?
WHM easily OUT DPS AST by doing around 500-600 dps more.
SCH OUT DPS AST by doing 400-500 more DPS.
And for all those whm who wants a kind of utility, go learn how to dps, your dps was always amazing and now even more, stop wanting utility just to help your party while you are AFKing/Overhealing ALL THE TIME.

You think WHM DPS advantage is comparable to buffing the DPS of all the actual DPSers in the group (who are doing far, far more than any healer)? That's... interesting. I'd love to find all these raid groups who would trade Balance for more Stone 4.

[Caduagm]

You think WHM DPS advantage is comparable to buffing the DPS of all the actual DPSers in the group (who are doing far, far more than any healer)? That's... interesting. I'd love to find all these raid groups who would trade Balance for more Stone 4.

If you were a good WHM, then yes.

[Supersun]

Did you ever compare healer damage? SCH and AST had about the SAME DPS Single-Target back to Heavensward.
Did you ever check fflogs?
Malefic 3 is the same potency Malefic 2 used to be (with cleric stance).
Did you actually see how much is the potency of Broil 2/Stone 4?
WHM easily OUT DPS AST by doing around 500-600 dps more.
SCH OUT DPS AST by doing 400-500 more DPS.
And for all those whm who wants a kind of utility, go learn how to dps, your dps was always amazing and now even more, stop wanting utility just to help your party while you are AFKing/Overhealing ALL THE TIME.

Calculating potency over 2 minutes assuming a 2 second GDC.

Combust II: 500pot/30secs = 2,000pot/2mins
Stellar Detonation: 200pot/60secs = 400pot/2mins
60GCDs/2mins - 4GCD/2mins (from casting Combust II) = 56GCD/2mins for Malefic III
Malefic III: 220pot/2secs x 56GCDs = 12,320pot/2mins
TOTAL: 14,720pot/2mins

Bio II: 350pot/30secs = 1,400pot/2mins
Miasma: 300pot/24secs = 1,500pot/2mins
Shadow Flare: 250pot/60secs = 500pot/2mins
60GCDs/2mins - 8GCD/2mins (from casting Combust II) = 52GCD/2mins for Broil II
Broil II: 230pot/2secs x 52 GCDs = 11,960pot/2mins
TOTAL: 15,360

So Sch doesn't even do 5% more damage than Ast now...

So unless the Scholar is doing around 10,000 DPS a Scholar shouldn't be beating Ast by 500 DPS if they have equal DPS time.

Not that they even SHOULD do even remotely in the same ballpark due to Balance.

[Caduagm]

Useless and wrong stuff.

If you at least played AST you would know that Stellar Explosion (which btw EXPLOSION not Detonation) has a wrong tooltip.
Also you are forgetting that If you start with 3 aetherflow stacks and Aetherflow IS NOT on CD so it is 9x Energy Drain aka 1350 potency in 2 minutes (no I'm not counting with Dissipation).

[Supersun]

If you at least played AST you would know that Stellar Explosion (which btw EXPLOSION not Detonation) has a wrong tooltip.
Also you are forgetting that If you start with 3 aetherflow stacks Aetherflow IS NOT on CD so it is 9x Energy Drain aka 1350 potency in 2 minutes (no I'm not counting with Dissipation).

And I didn't count Lord of Crowns either for a reason...

Just like how an Astrologian isn't going to be sitting there trying to turn all his cards into Lord of Crowns in a raid a Scholar isn't going to be sitting there spamming all of his stacks on Energy Drain unless the raid needs virtually no healing which in that case why are you bringing that Sch in the firs...oh wait...Bandage Stratagem...

[Caduagm]

And I didn't count Lord of Crowns either for a reason...

Just like how an Astrologian isn't going to be sitting there trying to turn all his cards into Lord of Crowns in a raid a Scholar isn't going to be sitting there spamming all of his stacks on Energy Drain unless the raid needs virtually no healing which in that case why are you bringing that Sch in the firs...oh wait...Bandage Stratagem...

No that's because the lord is rng, our only ogcd damage is rng and if you are a good Scholar you know when to use energy drain.

[Supersun]

No that's because the lord is rng, our only ogcd damage is rng and if you are a good Scholar you know when to use energy drain.

You don't get to write off a DPS source just because it's RNG, that's virtually half of your job! That would be about as crazy as a Rdm not counting Verfire and Verstone because they are RNG procs... If you don't care about any other cards you can enter the fight with a Lord in que and then statistically you'll be able to get at least 2 more over the course of 2 minutes meaning that's an extra 900 potency...that's still not going to differentiate Sch and Ast by more than 5%.

But who enters the fights with Lord instead of Balance which is exactly the point! If you want to count a pre-loaded energy drain then you should also count a pre-loaded balance (It'll do a LOT more than an extra 450 potency).

Do you honestly think any healer can outdo an additional +10% raid damage during everyone's opener? You have to be absolutely nuts if you think White Mages extra DPS over Ast will be greater than the amount Ast cards bring to a fight unless your DPS are trash tier where they can't even do 300 DPS at level 70 >.>

[Ilenya]

Did you ever compare healer damage? SCH and AST had about the SAME DPS Single-Target back to Heavensward.
Did you ever check fflogs?
Malefic 3 is the same potency Malefic 2 used to be (with cleric stance).
Did you actually see how much is the potency of Broil 2/Stone 4?
WHM easily OUT DPS AST by doing around 500-600 dps more.
SCH OUT DPS AST by doing 400-500 more DPS.
And for all those whm who wants a kind of utility, go learn how to dps, your dps was always amazing and now even more, stop wanting utility just to help your party while you are AFKing/Overhealing ALL THE TIME.

I look at all these numbers, and see a lack of the AoE loss I was thinking of. Or are you saying AST has worse AoE than SCH does?

[Caduagm]

I look at all these numbers, and see a lack of the AoE loss I was thinking of. Or are you saying AST has worse AoE than SCH does?

I guess you can't read, right? I said SINGLE TARGET.