Fixing MCH gameplay at 70

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Don't think I haven't tried it. Looking at that rotation that was put out drove me insane with how impractical it seemed. And trying it myself, unless there's some wildly different variable here, produced worse results for me at least. Having both BS and FT on cooldown, if you accidentally overheat, hell even if you do it purposefully, you're boned. However having one or the other to almost always utilize helps to minimize downtime, which also effectively allows you to plan and use Overheating instead of working so hard to avoid it. I'm not saying just push an overheat whenever and use one of those to bail you out, but know that you have them, be in a position to fully utilize it, and once you HAVE to deal with the penalty, ramp yourself back up as quick as possible. A few seconds of FT (again this is back to 50) is much faster than Hot Shot x5.

If I weren't hitting numbers comparable to what's been deemed capable and proper (as the job currently is), I would certainly question what I do. And for the sake of ensuring I wasn't somehow turning down or missing something important, I tried it out. Over and over. And results were simply poorer for me. For this reason, I remain rather objective about it.

You've used reload at this point to setup your wildfire. You get two cleans,a slug, two overloads, ricc, and GR. It's necessary. Any other order of operations wastes DPS

That's one of the ones that left me questioning it. You've used reload to proc your wildfire, then use Flamethrower to generate the heat the shots would have done anyways had you not used Reload prior to. Similar, but of course different, I reload AT 90, use my shots to proc what I need for Wildfire, then push the overheat with Hot Shot (at the same time refreshing it) and use what I got. It's different from what's been established, but it works. I wish I could elaborate, truly. But the results there in my face show me it works.

[Greedalox]

Don't think I haven't tried it. Looking at that rotation that was put out drove me insane with how impractical it seemed. And trying it myself, unless there's some wildly different variable here, produced worse results for me at least. Having both BS and FT on cooldown, if you accidentally overheat, hell even if you do it purposefully, you're boned. However having one or the other to almost always utilize helps to minimize downtime, which also effectively allows you to plan and use Overheating instead of working so hard to avoid it. I'm not saying just push an overheat whenever and use one of those to bail you out, but know that you have them, be in a position to fully utilize it, and once you HAVE to deal with the penalty, ramp yourself back up as quick as possible. A few seconds of FT (again this is back to 50) is much faster than Hot Shot x5.

I think a portion of the misunderstanding is that you're assuming that if you're not at 50 heat for 10 seconds after overheating then you're at a disadvantage which is untrue -if you're intentionally overheating at the right times and the bonus damage you got from your overheated wildfires puts you at a net gain in damage despite returning to non Heat Enhanced 1-2-3 for 10 seconds.

Another misunderstanding I think is being has is that if you accidentally overheat and are left without BS that using flamethrower to quickly return to 50 heat is the best course of events potency wise when it's actually better for your damage to return to 50 heat through through 1-2-3 and naturally occuring hotshots and exempting your Quick Reload til 60 heat.

Flamethrower has a few uses but quickly generating 0-50 heat is one of those situations where the intuitive thought behind it isn't backed up by the math.

[Ephier]

Don't think I haven't tried it. Looking at that rotation that was put out drove me insane with how impractical it seemed. And trying it myself, unless there's some wildly different variable here, produced worse results for me at least. Having both BS and FT on cooldown, if you accidentally overheat, hell even if you do it purposefully, you're boned. However having one or the other to almost always utilize helps to minimize downtime, which also effectively allows you to plan and use Overheating instead of working so hard to avoid it. I'm not saying just push an overheat whenever and use one of those to bail you out, but know that you have them, be in a position to fully utilize it, and once you HAVE to deal with the penalty, ramp yourself back up as quick as possible. A few seconds of FT (again this is back to 50) is much faster than Hot Shot x5.

If I weren't hitting numbers comparable to what's been deemed capable and proper (as the job currently is), I would certainly question what I do. And for the sake of ensuring I wasn't somehow turning down or missing something important, I tried it out. Over and over. And results were simply poorer for me. For this reason, I remain rather objective about it.


That's one of the ones that left me questioning it. You've used reload to proc your wildfire, then use Flamethrower to generate the heat the shots would have done anyways had you not used Reload prior to. Similar, but of course different, I reload AT 90, use my shots to proc what I need for Wildfire, then push the overheat with Hot Shot (at the same time refreshing it) and use what I got. It's different from what's been established, but it works. I wish I could elaborate, truly. But the results there in my face show me it works.

I assume you are talking about the opener that was presented on the reddit thread. Yea, if you took the time to practice it you would realize how nice it is to have all your CDs line up. Its not impractical at all, just requires you to know what you are doing. You should never accidentally overheat. That problem should be remedied after an hour or so of hitting a dummy. Using FT to heat yourself is the worst possible option DPS wise. Going from 10->50 heat is 2 gcds and 2 to 3 autos. At a minimum you are going to lose roughly 160 potency. Then you are playing catch up with heated skills. As dumb as it sounds, mathematically 5x hot shot is technically the "best way" to get yourself back to 50 heat if you accidentally OH. I don't think people really grasp how bad FT really is. Its quite the damage loss, which is why we set it up to be used to push from 70h/80h to 90h/100h. Use it as an oGCD to set up WFs. There is nothing wrong with not liking something, but to call it impractical is a little silly. With the way we set it up on opener your WF is thrown up literally as soon as trick attack goes up. If you are doing any other opener, especially the ones that throw up WF super fast you are losing 1~3 GCDs of trick, that is bad. Trust when I say all this stuff has been HEAVILY discussed and talked about.

Also I am not sure where you are getting that we don't OH from. We OH on every odd wf after the first (3rd 5th 7th). When ever barrel stabilizer is up. OH without BS is just a straight damage loss. This is not even an arguable point.

[Elnidfse]

That's one of the ones that left me questioning it. You've used reload to proc your wildfire, then use Flamethrower to generate the heat the shots would have done anyways had you not used Reload prior to

I don't think I can explain anything better than Epiher has done