REQUEST: Please change PVP duty incentive

[Nixxe]

We just can't have nice things. When devs decided to throw a bone at PvP, we get shit on like this. It just baffles me...none of this would have happened if people actually...y'know...play the game (mind blown)? There even dudes who afk in 8v8 Feast...

The devs were really nice in their initiative to revitalize PvP, yet it could not last long. Truly disgusting, the way people game the system and undermine good intentions like this.

Suggestion: to get reward, a person has to contribute at least 2 kills or 5 assists or at least 40k dmg to ice in (in shatter at least); for feast, it would be 1 kill or 2-3 assists.

Alternatively, they could just do what Blizzard does and add an option to report non-participation and actually punish people for it. Punishing the people who are the actual problem instead of coming up with increasingly complex ways to prevent them from gaming the system seems like the most sensible and straightforward solution.

[AriaFairchild]

Alternatively, they could just do what Blizzard does and add an option to report non-participation and actually punish people for it. Punishing the people who are the actual problem instead of coming up with increasingly complex ways to prevent them from gaming the system seems like the most sensible and straightforward solution.

I could get behind this.

[Serilda]

Alternatively, they could just do what Blizzard does and add an option to report non-participation and actually punish people for it. Punishing the people who are the actual problem instead of coming up with increasingly complex ways to prevent them from gaming the system seems like the most sensible and straightforward solution.

I can only hit the Like button once but please, yes! Instead of forcing the already-rare healers to let people die to farm participation or any of the other crazy ideas people are spouting, just punish people who exploit. Please.

[Dsync]

Did my first PvP since the change (Bonus Verity), and as expected there are still leechers/afk'ers. Yeah, you wanted this, you can have it. Once a day max now for me. Even when called out the alliance didn't care enough to kick those players. Nothing has improved, only got worse.

The devs were really nice in their initiative to revitalize PvP, yet it could not last long. Truly disgusting, the way people game the system and undermine good intentions like this.

They can game the system because people allow them to. If people cared enough to actually try then they'd kick players as soon as it was known they were leeching. It's not one person who has made it this way. It's the group who doesn't remove them. They are equally to blame. It shows how many simply do not care about losing, and by extension, affecting the EXP of other players.

[Kaedan]

LOL

People who don't normally PvP would just stop queuing for PvP then... which would revert queues back to ridiculously long.

The only reason the EXP incentive works to reduce PvP queue times at all is because it gets people who would normally not PvP to do so. If you made it more difficult for people to get that EXP, then they would just do something else instead.

So your suggestion works if you want higher quality PvP with long queues... but it's most certainly not an incentive.

[Jas710]

I offer my perspective as a general non-PVPer that jumps in there every so often for glams and xp...

1. The game doesn't bother to emphasize the objectives on-screen. Bad game design practice right off The bat.

2. Mounts are too slow.

3. As far as Shatter goes, the winner is solely determined by rng spawns. Again, bad design.

4. We walk out of there with exp, ranks, and marks no matter how bad we lose.

Conclusion: Call it bad design or out of the dev's desperation, but there is no way with even just my few hand-picked examples above would you guys see PvP attract quality players. Sad but true.

[Inuk9]

Even with bad RNG a organized pug can overcome that. Just do some instructions macros like "Big crystal on the map, let's do it". Put an A marker and do other macro like "regroup at A".

Way better than people running ramdonly a the map

With that you can instruct your aliance to win.

[Maeka]

So apparently SE partially agreed with the OP, sadly.

Let's face the statistics:

You are 66% likely to lose, given there are three teams. 66% likely to receive less XP than the lucky 33%. And in the larger matches, your own contributions are less and less meaningful the larger the match is. This means that through less and less fault of your own, you are going to earn less XP from the match.

A better system would have been this:

If a team loses by more than 50%, THEN they suffer a nerf. That way, if you see a 1600/1500/1300 game, everybody gets max XP because everybody put effort in.

But if you see a game where you got 1600/1500/500 team because the 500 team decides they're just there to goof off and get quick XP, that 500 team gets nerfed XP.

[Jas710]

A better system would have been this:

If a team loses by more than 50%, THEN they suffer a nerf. That way, if you see a 1600/1500/1300 game, everybody gets max XP because everybody put effort in.

But if you see a game where you got 1600/1500/500 team because the 500 team decides they're just there to goof off and get quick XP, that 500 team gets nerfed XP.

Third place should actually get nothing. Watch the battle for second place get intense. Which is what happens now anyway.

Why is PvP not it's own thing by the way? Why is it a thing that PvP also benefits features outside of it in pve? Shouldn't they just nix levels altogether, and base everything on just Ranks instead 100%? "Levels" shouldn't exist. It's two entirely different ecosystems. Keep them independent of each other. They shouldn't be trying to find a happy medium.

[Aquaslash]

PvP is still the best tomestone to time ratio for me as a solo DPS so I'm not going anywhere.

But PLEASE do Seal Rock. I really want that Field Commander's set