PvP Rewards Now Tied to Win/Loss: Will There Be Endemic Cheating?

[Stanelis]

That's doesn't change my point. Winners get more. Losers get less. That's the nature of competition. Don't like it? Complain to Webster's.

XP is a terrible tiered reward for pvp games, not very motivating.

With this change I can guarantee you it will make the situation worse, if it doesn't flat out kills the pvp queues. eg you ll see the loosing teams going afk in order to speed up the end of the game and you can expect way more toxicity.

That aside, I really do think MMORPG players are masochists who hate having fun. Because we actually had a system in place giving a decent amount of xp and that was fun and drama free, and people had to complain and ask for something toxic.

[YitharV2]

That aside, I really do think MMORPG players are masochists who hate having fun. Because we actually had a system in place giving a decent amount of xp and that was fun and drama free, and people had to complain and ask for something toxic.

[Dizhonor]

That aside, I really do think MMORPG players are masochists who hate having fun. Because we actually had a system in place giving a decent amount of xp and that was fun and drama free, and people had to complain and ask for something toxic.

1. Frontline wasn't "drama free." (Unless you were ignoring chat?)
2. If "having fun" means "free chicken dinner" to you, then maybe a "game" isn't for you? The very nature of a game is COMPETITION. And in a competition, there are TIERED rewards (winners get more than losers).

Just curious: Are you carried through dungeons all the time? And do you complain when you are vote kicked for being carried? Because (after all) you were just "having fun"?

Not trying to be mean. I'm honestly perplexed at your logic and trying to appeal to some common intuitions.

[Tharia]

1. Frontline wasn't "drama free." (Unless you were ignoring chat?)
2. If "having fun" means "free chicken dinner" to you, then maybe a "game" isn't for you? The very nature of a game is COMPETITION. And in a competition, there are TIERED rewards (winners get more than losers).

Just curious: Are you carried through dungeons all the time? And do you complain when you are vote kicked for being carried? Because (after all) you were just "having fun"?

Not trying to be mean. I'm honestly perplexed at your logic and trying to appeal to some common intuitions.

Welll it is certainly no fun to actually wait 30 - 40 Minutes to do anything. Anyway I hope you will enjoy that fun soon. At least you will have a lot of time to think about this soon.

[Fawkes]

And in a competition, there are TIERED rewards (winners get more than losers).

That's not true. Some competitions reward everyone equally and some reward no one. It depends on the competition.

[NefarioCall]

Just curious: Are you carried through dungeons all the time? And do you complain when you are vote kicked for being carried? Because (after all) you were just "having fun"?

I can't speak for everyone else, though most of the time i am very happy with my abilities as a healer. There's the odd bad run or gaff, but i get a real thrill out of the feeling of pulling off intense plays to carry a team through a path of certain death.

IMO the issue at hand is that the 'game' more or less forces you to play in a party to proceed... which i find ironic since that's exactly how FFXI was and this game wanted to be different. The difference is that in FFXI, most often that level grind was a slow, methodical process with breaks for group healing and strategy among other things. In FFXIV, it's a constant faceroll of running down XIII-esque corridors and spamming AoE until your fingers fall off with no real viable methods to do so in a less pressure can environment. Hunts maybe? But oh wait those are daily capped. Fates? Sort of but that generally includes bashing your head up against the wall of either, this fate recently got downed by a random group and you can't possibly solo it alone, or it still just turns into 10 minutes of mashing the "Stone" button on your hotbar for exp.

I often think back fondly on the old 1.x series Black Shroud and wonder how much open world content with NM's and farming drops for pops or other creative things could exist if this game had an endgame open world zone... i don't think it has ever had that.

FFXIV is great fun. The content is fun. It's just not fun to be forced to do pressure can passageways 100 times because it's the only way to level up. There needs to be ways to do so with a little less full throttle momentum. Right now, PvP exists as the best option in game for that, followed closely by PotD, and neither is really anywhere near ideal.

God i hope Eureka is the first step towards a real solution...

[Moonlite]

1. Frontline wasn't "drama free." (Unless you were ignoring chat?)
2. If "having fun" means "free chicken dinner" to you, then maybe a "game" isn't for you? The very nature of a game is COMPETITION. And in a competition, there are TIERED rewards (winners get more than losers).

1. A lot of games are completely silent. I actually had to say something to check if chat was broken. No calls, no complaints, no position, nothing. Casual pvp or just casual players don't get nearly as salty about win/loss. The influx of xp players has greatly reduced drama. They don't want to talk. They want to wander around poke stuff maybe have some fun and get out.

2. The game has way to many variables to have the item you considered of value tied to win/loss. No healers, other team got better dps, premade is picking on your healers, the other team decided you suck so "no win for you". Competition in other avenues controls the variables to the point where the supposed best wins. It would be so much fun if some teams weren't allowed to dress goalkeepers or any number of silly things like that. I feel sorry that people think this is actual competition.

[YitharV2]

1. Frontline wasn't "drama free." (Unless you were ignoring chat?)
2. If "having fun" means "free chicken dinner" to you, then maybe a "game" isn't for you? The very nature of a game is COMPETITION. And in a competition, there are TIERED rewards (winners get more than losers).

1. Primal was pretty drama free. Mostly people just linking ice in alliance. Of course occasional person upset about people not doing objectives, but understandable. Can't speak for other data centers though.
2. I had fun doing PvP. I did anima grind via Frontlines. It was a nice change up from PvE. I played PvP in TERA so I'm well aware about competition. Honestly, I would've been fine if they buffed the experience for winning and kept the experience the same for the losers. Why we should buff instead of nerf.