The Ifrit Fight is Dangerous to the Community.

[Richard_BG]

Actually they made Ifrit harder in a way...
Before you could have your Glad tank use Riot Blade + Contagion
and put pacification on Ifrit that way, which completly stopped Ifrit from using Hellfire.

But they fixed that, which should have made it harder.
Yet more and more people managed to kill him.
By now it's really easy, cause people are used to the fight.
You hardly need a tank still, neither gear.
You can just go in completly naked and win with ease.

Which.. honestly kinda disappoints me, I wish Ifrit was a whole lot harder.
Ifrit didn't last long really, was exciting for like a week... but that's it.
Instead of nerfing, they should buff him.
I want more challenging stuff, cuz that's where the real fun's @ imo.
Didn't Yoshida also say that he wanted Casual and Hardcore stuff?
What's wrong with that?
I know, everyone hates when people mention it, but FFXI had 'challenging' stuff too.
Like AV, PW, Odin (dunno if you can rly consider this one hard tho lol), etc.

Of course not everyone will be able to beat all the stuff in the game, but that's good imo.
What would be the point if really anyone could beat the new content, why even play?
It would just be tedious and boring, because it would lack some challenge.

And some people are just better than other people.
It's a game. Some people win, some people lose.

av was a troll by SE, pw was never all that hard (but farming his pop items were) and odin was a joke. large amounts of time invested into something does not make them challenging.

other than that I agree with you and wish content was a bit harder but I don't think it ever will be. It will never reach the challenge of say...40 man 4HM & Twin Emps, Pre-nerf M'uru, KJ, Yogg-0 or pre-nerf Firefighter. At least I don't think it will.

could be wrong. only time will tell.

[Bethor]

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[Laperouge]

My ping ALWAYS higher than 320ms. So even "Ifrit body languag" can't help at all

[Murugan]

My ping ALWAYS higher than 320ms. So even "Ifrit body languag" can't help at all

This is exactly the kind of thing that would be useful to send to SE here:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Network-Delay

[TheFatHousecat]

My ping ALWAYS higher than 320ms. So even "Ifrit body languag" can't help at all

The only thing you can do is adapt, then. Develop a natural clock so that you know that, for instance, after Hellfire you only have time for ~3 actions or 1 Chaos Thrust + 1 action, etc. You need to have that clock anyways, for the times when you're running from voids and happen to miss his body language, etc.

I mean, sucks your ping is so high, but that's all that can be done till that issue is fixed.

[Physic]

Actually they made Ifrit harder in a way...
Before you could have your Glad tank use Riot Blade + Contagion
and put pacification on Ifrit that way, which completly stopped Ifrit from using Hellfire.

But they fixed that, which should have made it harder.
Yet more and more people managed to kill him.
By now it's really easy, cause people are used to the fight.
You hardly need a tank still, neither gear.
You can just go in completly naked and win with ease.

Which.. honestly kinda disappoints me, I wish Ifrit was a whole lot harder.
Ifrit didn't last long really, was exciting for like a week... but that's it.
Instead of nerfing, they should buff him.
I want more challenging stuff, cuz that's where the real fun's @ imo.
Didn't Yoshida also say that he wanted Casual and Hardcore stuff?
What's wrong with that?
I know, everyone hates when people mention it, but FFXI had 'challenging' stuff too.
Like AV, PW, Odin (dunno if you can rly consider this one hard tho lol), etc.

Of course not everyone will be able to beat all the stuff in the game, but that's good imo.
What would be the point if really anyone could beat the new content, why even play?
It would just be tedious and boring, because it would lack some challenge.

And some people are just better than other people.
It's a game. Some people win, some people lose.

So you and raikirri, essentialy think endgame fights should be mostly about gear? wow thats boring imo. Also that is actually really a much easier mechanic. get gear, win, game over.

Gear check doesnt seem like difficulty to me, This type of fight where if you play with skill you can avoid or deal with a fair amount of problems, sounds to me like the best fight style. With gear check only the players with the most gear will win day one in every patch.

Yeah it gets easier when people figure out their techniques and get fighting him down to a science, or follow other peoples knowledge, but that is as it should be.

and yeah, you like most elitists have failed to realize, you realize the real problem, you really arent better than anyone else. given the same knowledge and same tools, most humans will be able to adapt to most stimulus, if they choose to.

[Ilean]

I believe I already described the general idea of the programming side of things...it's not a major undertaking. Just a few adjustments to the loot tables, stats, and adding a dialog box offering the options. Push it through QA testing for a few weeks.

This isn't a painstakingly-accurate 3D model simulation of the R.M.S. Titanic being coded into the game, people.

LOL! Don't bother with them, the game is all they have so for them it's a matter of no-life and death that it's stays in a way they can have an advantage.

Their gaming "omghardcoreness" is limited to MMOs because the only thing they have over others is tons of free time. Free time to level all the jobs to 50, free time to associate themselves with others that are the same.

So just chill, wait to see if jobs/ability balance whatever makes content more accessible, if not there are several really good looking MMOs coming soon. So at least in my case I only lost the 80 bucks I paid for my CE, which I intend to more than recover by only buying used SE games from now on until they prove themselves worthy. (And FFXIII-2 sure isn't helping!)

[Arcell]

So I've seen a lot of posts in here talking about how gear doesn't matter, classes don't matter, not having Sentinel doesn't matter. Could someone further explain these points or provide a link to a written strategy that does? I mean I haven't really gotten into doing Ifrit that much yet as I'm worrying about that last but I'd like to know.

[DanteAorzen]

This thread is like repeating itself over and over again on things already discussed, debated, debunked, butchered, trolled, and mega-trolled even mod warned of thread locked, since page 1...

and yet I can't help myself to open it again and again and again...

I wonder why??

[Velhart]

So I've seen a lot of posts in here talking about how gear doesn't matter, classes don't matter, not having Sentinel doesn't matter. Could someone further explain these points or provide a link to a written strategy that does? I mean I haven't really gotten into doing Ifrit that much yet as I'm worrying about that last but I'd like to know.

Basically you don't need to cookie cutter.

GLA or MRD are viable tanks, possibly PGL if you have evasion like a boss (haven't tried it).

Any DPS actually works, one of the reasons Lancers are wanted is because they can attack far enough from Ifrit that you don't get hit by his sears, making it easier on healers and yourself. Other DPS are just as viable in most areas, but you have to learn your timing with sears and heal yourself.

I personally think Sentinel does matter, but you can survive without it. I have had times where I goofed up and didn't hit Sentinel on time, but had full HP, and took me from 3k HP to about 600. It is possible to survive without Sentinel, or have a 1 or 2 without it, but you are doing nothing but making harder on yourself with not having it.

Overall, any class is viable in the fight, just having the sub abilities to back yourself up is what matters more. This is a game where exploring other classes is extremely beneficial.

This is Final Fantasy, and the famous aspect on the job system is to switch from one class to another, and go with what is best for the fight (FFV is a beautiful example of this, same with FFT). You don't get this privilege in most MMO's, take advantage of it.