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    SyzzleSpark's Avatar
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    Pixiline Paradigm
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    Sargatanas
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    Summoner Lv 66
    Quote Originally Posted by Flash039 View Post
    Dark knight have an Skill call The Blackest Night which is an 15 sec RECAST So in defensive i would say Drk and Pld is on par but PLD is OP now
    Read the OP fully and you'll realize why TBN doesn't make up for what DRK is missing.

    In Susano Ex for instance - In between Stormsplitters, you have literally nothing but TBN to mitigate damage, because Rampart and Shadow Wall must be saved to pair with TBN for Stormsplitter, and other than that you have... Convalescence? Reprisal?

    This is even worse if you wanna tank out of Grit and you literally just have your pants down in between TBN casts. Like I said, the over-reliance on TBN in between things like Rampart and Shadow Wall feels awful.
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    hakurou46's Avatar
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    Lia Numa
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    Ultros
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Now that patch 4.01 is out we can also complain that Bloodspiller deals more damage outside of grit even though the original tuning made it even. Dunno if that was intentional.
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    Mix Zawa
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    Lamia
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    Dark Knight Lv 96
    Quote Originally Posted by SyzzleSpark View Post
    Read the OP fully and you'll realize why TBN doesn't make up for what DRK is missing.

    In Susano Ex for instance - In between Stormsplitters, you have literally nothing but TBN to mitigate damage, because Rampart and Shadow Wall must be saved to pair with TBN for Stormsplitter, and other than that you have... Convalescence? Reprisal?

    This is even worse if you wanna tank out of Grit and you literally just have your pants down in between TBN casts. Like I said, the over-reliance on TBN in between things like Rampart and Shadow Wall feels awful.
    You don't need to stack Shadow Wall and Rampart to survive Stormsplitter. Just one of them and using TBN along with Reprisal is more than enough to take the hit and then when you are up again for the tank buster just replace Shadow Wall with Rampart along with TBN and Reprisal again. Then just repeat the cycle since Shadow Wall will be off cool down when you are up again to take the hit.

    Then the only sort of real CD you need during the fight in between is the AoE magic damage ability which you can use Dark Mind with DA and sometimes you won't even take damage. The rest I still have Anticipation just in case something goes wrong.
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    Last edited by MixZ; 07-09-2017 at 01:36 PM.

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    Lythia Norvaine
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    Gilgamesh
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    Viper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by MixZ View Post
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    Stormsplitter hits for about 60k unmitigated. In full Vit gear at around 48k HP, TBN is a 9.6k shield. You need a minimum of 4% additional mitigation to survive the tankbuster (assuming that your co-tank provoked mid-cast and you shirked, to ensure that you don't take a follow up auto for an average of 9k extra damage (20k if crit). I feel that Reprisal is a bit wasted here, as it's better for raid damage like Ukehi, but your approach does work, and one tank can handle all of those reprisals on their own.

    If you're doing it in STR gear at 36k HP, TBN is a 7.2k shield. You need a minimum of 28% additional mitigation to survive the tankbuster. That's requires SW at the absolute minimum, and it's pretty tight at that. I can see the rationale for stacking Rampart and SW to get to 44% mitigation, if you end up having to take more than one Stormsplitter (with just one, you can LD instead, and use Rampart and SW to soften incoming autos).

    I suspect that you're both correct, but Syz is almost certainly talking about a STR scenario, and you're probably talking about a VIT one.
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