BLM needs some love and RDM needs a nerf

[Ferrasper]

Like I said, nobody can stop you.

But they know. And now you know they know.

You should go and look up Donald from the Dark Legacy comics; the resemblance is somewhat striking.

I actually still don't feel like one because I am doing my job by killing the enemies. So far, it seems only you feel this way, and you are trying to project that only your opinion is universal which it is not. I choose to keep to the actual reality that most people don't care. With that, I am done with this conversation. You have already wasted enough of my forum posts.

[sylvestew]

I'm saying wait until Omega, because right now it seems that omega savage is not going to be that tough from the looks of it,so it isn't going to matter. Everyone here QQ'ing will still be able to clear it and if you can clear the content why is it a problem. Now if you say for World/server first situations that is different and even in that case most of the people complaining aren't on that pace. Also if a group doesn't have a caster in it and they only want a RDM i'm just going to assume that group or leader is BAD and if people cant clear OMEGA unless they have a rdm then yes the other casters should be buffed.

[MagiusNecros]

Then people will be saying wait until 5.0 lol

[Galvuu]

Now if you say for World/server first situations that is different and even in that case most of the people complaining aren't on that pace. Also if a group doesn't have a caster in it and they only want a RDM i'm just going to assume that group or leader is BAD.

This is a silly argument (no offense ). It always matters because of the effort and reward ratios. I can clear Dark Souls naked with a lightning reinforced club, but that's way harder than using proper gear. Playing a better job/comp has an inherent advantage. If the gap is very small then sure, yea, it doesn't mean much. But otherwise, you will feel noticeably weaker (think AST in 3.0). Plus, for many people, feeling powerful counts a lot. It's fun to feel powerful. Plus, you like being rewarded if you do well. And if someone gets a better reward for less effort, that frankly feels not-so-good x)

[sylvestew]

That is kinda where i'm getting at, the gap isn't big enough for people to be saying NERF, lol yes feeling powerful matters to people but they only feel weak b/c they are comparing to others, someone is always gonna be more powerful. I just know how SE nerfs are been playing this since 1.0. It'll then turn into people crying RDM dps sucks only good for raise and thus will be complaining about people only wanting a rdm for progression but not farms. Sure buff the other casters if they are really that far behind after we see what the first raid looks like is all. Not 5.0 ROFL

[Yorumi]

That is kinda where i'm getting at, the gap isn't big enough for people to be saying NERF, lol yes feeling powerful matters to people but they only feel weak b/c they are comparing to others, someone is always gonna be more powerful. I just know how SE nerfs are been playing this since 1.0. It'll then turn into people crying RDM dps sucks only good for raise and thus will be complaining about people only wanting a rdm for progression but not farms. Sure buff the other casters if they are really that far behind after we see what the first raid looks like is all. Not 5.0 ROFL

Even if you take cure and raise out of the equation rdm still has embolden. The current gap shows rdm with a dps lead over blm and that doesn't account for the extra damage embolden caused on potentially 5 other party members(2 tanks, 3 melee dps). Factoring in that dps will widen the gap even farther.

[sylvestew]

Even if you take cure and raise out of the equation rdm still has embolden. The current gap shows rdm with a dps lead over blm and that doesn't account for the extra damage embolden caused on potentially 5 other party members(2 tanks, 3 melee dps). Factoring in that dps will widen the gap even farther.

So you dont want RDM to have anything or Do you just want it so an average BLM will never lose to a good RDM in dps?

[Yorumi]

So you dont want RDM to have anything or Do you just want it so an average BLM will never lose to a good RDM in dps?

Do you not understand what balance means? You balance out all factors. In what world does it make sense that a blm does less dps than a rdm, AND can't buff the damage of party members? Why bring a blm to anything if you're guaranteed something that is weaker?

In the case of a class providing a buff to party members that increased damage they do is now indirectly increasing the provider's dps, because without the provider the classes getting the buff would do less dps. Therefore you can directly factor in that dps to the provider. So keeping this simple lets say class A has no buff and just does pure damage. Class B has a buff that creates a raidwide dps increase of 200dps. Class A should do 200 dps more than Class B, that way they're equal. Class B does less damage but gains indirect damage from the buff, Class A just does raw damage.

[sylvestew]

You talk as if embolden has no CD and its something that always up and it has diminishing effects. In what world? a world where the rdm is actually good and knows how to play their class. RDM obviously has a higher skill floor then BLM, so thats why i asked my question, you want them to raise the ceiling on blm so high as if even the worst of blms will be able to keep up with a RDM regardless of whats going on. yes a good blm should beat a good rdm always and if thats not the case im ok with the buff..

[Yorumi]

You talk as if embolden has no CD and its something that always up and it has diminishing effects. In what world? a world where the rdm is actually good and knows how to play their class. RDM obviously has a higher skill floor then BLM, so thats why i asked my question, you want them to raise the ceiling on blm so high as if even the worst of blms will be able to keep up with a RDM regardless of whats going on. yes a good blm should beat a good rdm always and if thats not the case im ok with the buff..

When and where did I say any of this?

That said you clearly don't understand how the math of things work. The cooldown is irrelevant, the skill will be used and it will result in a dps increase for as many as 6members(the rdm, 3 phy dps, 2 tanks). That dps can be indirectly attributed to the rdm. Because of this blm needs a dps increase. I never once mentioned how this is achieved, I was talking pure theory about balance.

Right now rdm does more damage than any blm without factoring in embolden. If you don't understand the very basic, most trivial elements of balance you really don't have much business contributing to the thread.