Concern State of Tank Stats - Alex:Father Dejavu and Tenacity

[DRKoftheAzure]

Tenacity is providing almost no increase in incoming heals, and about 1-2% higher outgoing damage and incoming damage reduction per 1000 tenacity.
Um, 1000 points of a substat is a LOT for a 2% improvement. This low scaling is making Tenacity about as desirable as parry... and we all remember how much people loved parry.
This further goes to explain why the general recommendation for left side melds is Direct Hit followed by Critical Hit, as the remaining options of Skill Speed and Tenacity provide drastically lower returns.

So to conclude I've the following question to ask of SE:

Would you consider reverting the tank AP calculation to the pre-4.0 formula, or making it so Tenacity's effect scales with Vitality in such a way as to encourage Vit accessories (and not STR ones 40-50 ilvls lower)?

I actually posted a request that they have tenacity scale off vitality and posted something similar to what you said on the tank role forums

[Brannigan]

I've been under the assumption that for the past year, this was their design, all along, and that come Omega Savage people will realize that even that 20-30% DPS increase will not suffice to survive the incoming damage

This is a pretty huge assumption considering just how many tools we have to mitigate things right now

Feint/Addle
Apocatastasis/Palisade
Sacred Soil
Astro Shield
Adlo
Divine Benison
Intervention
Passage of Arms
The Blackest Knight
Reprisal
Eye for an Eye
The Bole

And this is just stuff that other people can do to the MT or the boss. If they really need to stack up mitigation they can go WAR(mt)/PLD(ot) and abuse intervention, warrior CDs, and Cover+paladin CDs. If there's a super dangerous and hard to compensate for cleave you can just slot in VIT pieces as needed.

They basically have to role lock pre-Stormblood gear. There's no other solution if they don't want to change SB accessories to have strength or change how tank damage works.

[Cadmus]

1) 1000 points of Tenacity is about a 5% dmg reduction.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...city_datadump/

2) Taking just left-side in consideration, melding 520 points of Dhit translates to a 14% proct rate, aka about a flat 3.3% DPS increase. Meanwhile 520 points in Det = at least 140 attack power (at least in patch 3.5?) which is a 5-6% DPS gain for tank (PLD that I know of anyway).

3) 270 accessories ain't gonna fly in Omega Savage. I think 1 at the very most, but by then it will have relatively diminished DPS value too once ilvls are 340 and accessory secondary stats start getting much bigger.

[Evaddaragon]

They basically have to role lock pre-Stormblood gear. There's no other solution if they don't want to change SB accessories to have strength or change how tank damage works.

Whille it's true that indeed other party members have many tools to help tanks mitigate damage, the majority of these, we alread had and/or are rebranded into role actions. Only a select few (Passage of Arms, Intervention, The Blackest Knight, for example) are actually new, so I'm not actually of the opinion that on its own, it will make the difference. But you are right, it's speculation on my part, which I did imply anyway.


I'm still not expecting SE to role-lock anything pre-Stormblood because it seems to me it is as intended.

Also, instead of actually role-locking the accessories, they could do away with the possibility of changing equipment once you enter an instance. Tough luck if you get a dungeon drop while leveling, though.

[Derio]

Melding tenacity is pointless. And what is worse, they say it's not broken