Zenos Appreciation Thread [Massive Spoilers]

[MagiusNecros]

Eh I just feel he needed more character development. Compared to Gaius he just seemed lame in comparison.

[Rymm]

Given that he was obviously already a test subject for some very sketchy aether-science shenanigans, I seriously wouldn't be surprised if SE doesn't pull a Kael'thas and resurrect him as some sort of magiteck/allagan aether zombie. I think such a move would be tough to do well story-wise, but isn't inherently bad on its own. Then we could beat him all over again to both end his threat to Eorzea and (depending how they play it, if they do it) put him out of his misery.

[BillyKaplan]

He had a lot of presence and charisma, that was for certain. But his death, as well done as it was, was a waste of potential. He could've easily became a character like Nero, disowned from his homeland due to losing to you but finding new purpose, or rather, dedicating himself fully to his original purpose but now detached from his loyalty to Garlemald which could've made him into the oddest ally we'd have had yet.
Because you know he'd save your ass from whatever just so he could fight you again, and then go on a ten minutes long tantrum about how you even let that thing touch you because only he's allowed to do that.

[bass9020]

[RyuDragnier]

He had a lot of presence and charisma, that was for certain. But his death, as well done as it was, was a waste of potential. He could've easily became a character like Nero, disowned from his homeland due to losing to you but finding new purpose, or rather, dedicating himself fully to his original purpose but now detached from his loyalty to Garlemald which could've made him into the oddest ally we'd have had yet.
Because you know he'd save your ass from whatever just so he could fight you again, and then go on a ten minutes long tantrum about how you even let that thing touch you because only he's allowed to do that.

They could have done so much more with Zenos...because he is the ONLY person to have ever bested the Warrior of Light multiple times BY HIMSELF. Nobody else has that honor, and having him stay on permanently, even if just turned into an Ascian, would be amazing. The only one who truly understands that we exist, WE LIVE for battle (we as players and our character), the only one who shares that fondness and can stand toe to toe with us.

[ADVSS]

how did he eat a primal again? or whatever the hell that was. Man if it had been him instead of Estinien in HW Nidhogg wouldnt have stood a chance

Again at that point, I felt like he was gonna be the guy finally. Now its back to ascians, and boring ass Varis

Hope to god the rest of MSQ isnt one big old Scholasticate "what the 2 city states did to cope after" crap. Be some boring stuff. "hey take this merchandise to Kugane" "Lolorito thanks you, could you bring these goods to Rhalgrs Reach?" "Cool you brought the magic sharpies from Kugane, would you mind giving Aymeric this thank you letter" "Thanks for the letter WoL, Lucia wants to send a post card to her family, mind if you Slip it in at the lochs?"

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I wanna know ho much eyeshadow Zenos goes through in a week.

None. He dead.

[BillyKaplan]

The only one who truly understands that we exist, WE LIVE for battle

That depends on how you view your chara. We're soldiers in a war we never REALLY signed up for but that no one else can fight because of the Echo, and by default, your chara at least isn't the kind of jerk who'd sit back and let the world burn on their watch. I felt a much stronger kinship with Hien. But again, personal storytelling.
That said, that IS how he views the WoL, finding no other reason why anyone would fight as much. It would've been very interesting to see more than just your character being exposed to that stance. Have the Scions suddenly wonder if they're really allied with a hero, or are you only wearing that title because you kill the things they want you to kill instead of, well, them. But with Zenos gone, I don't think they'd go that much into it. Hell, even choosing the option of accepting him was lackluster imo. I kind of get why - you have to accept him in order to condemn him, as that is not the same as rejection. But different people would choose that expecting different things, they had to kind of brush it aside.

how did he eat a primal again? "

That artificial Echo they have going on. Not unlike how Ysayle 'tamed' Shiva but using Shinryu's body as host rather than the other way around

[Kallera]

Perhaps the reason why he dies is because if he had stuck on, it would result in something like Doomsday or Bane, a villain who was famous for THAT ONE TIME they beat the hero...then gets reduced to a cheap flavor that is offed as quickly as the rest of the rogues gallery afterwards.

At any rate, I feel Zenos does more than just be that one guy that defeats us. He also shows that the traits that got us started on the road to being the hero we are? They can be duplicated, they can be extracted and given to others. I have a feeling the ramifications of this will last long after he is gone, and he was the one who lent an ear to it. It is ultimately our efforts beyond the echo, who we are beyond the gifts and the favor, that will see us through his legacy of the Resonant.

At least, that is my hope.

That depends on how you view your chara. We're soldiers in a war we never REALLY signed up for but that no one else can fight because of the Echo, and by default, your chara at least isn't the kind of jerk who'd sit back and let the world burn on their watch. I felt a much stronger kinship with Hien. But again, personal storytelling.
That said, that IS how he views the WoL, finding no other reason why anyone would fight as much. It would've been very interesting to see more than just your character being exposed to that stance. Have the Scions suddenly wonder if they're really allied with a hero, or are you only wearing that title because you kill the things they want you to kill instead of, well, them. But with Zenos gone, I don't think they'd go that much into it. Hell, even choosing the option of accepting him was lackluster imo. I kind of get why - you have to accept him in order to condemn him, as that is not the same as rejection. But different people would choose that expecting different things, they had to kind of brush it aside.

I was kinda expecting different things myself, but yeah, I was willing to accept him. Not out of any sense of mercy, but because I see my character seeing Zenos as someone everyone wants on their side. As Zenos seeks to bring out the ideal rival, the twisted version of himself within her, she sees the twisted concept of a Warrior of Light within him.

[BillyKaplan]

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I agree. And one thing in particular I want to see now is doubt regarding anyone else who has the Echo - because can we be certain it's 'natural' and not infused? And if it's infused, they're likely bad guys as far as we're concerned. Suddenly that Scion with the face paint they said was a 'Walker' is suspicious