The Ifrit Fight is Dangerous to the Community.

[Kymusashi]

All this archer business... Do you guys know about the mage spot that is safe from all plumes and cyclones? An archer can be there and light shot all he damn well pleases. Basically, when Ifrit does TP, if the archer doesn't have to move, he can pop off 3 light shots NP and then wait for the next TP, or even do a 4th light shot or a WS if they're good with the timing.

Will it be as good as a melee's TP gain? Possibly not, but at the same time, the archer isn't at risk of eating sear.

Seriously, why is it everyone is crying foul because archers can't just stand there and spam the 1 key? If your linkshells aren't willing to let you in on runs, then maybe you should move on. I've been trying to convince one of our best geared Archers to try out this spot, and he'd be perfect, because he's already accustomed to the timing, as he's done this as a mage.

Skill + Brains > than a class or skill set. Just don't be an outright liability. I am fine with people not having sentinel on my runs. Those people better be able to self recover to some extent though.

[Vanguard319]

All this archer business... Do you guys know about the mage spot that is safe from all plumes and cyclones? An archer can be there and light shot all he damn well pleases. Basically, when Ifrit does TP, if the archer doesn't have to move, he can pop off 3 light shots NP and then wait for the next TP, or even do a 4th light shot or a WS if they're good with the timing.

Will it be as good as a melee's TP gain? Possibly not, but at the same time, the archer isn't at risk of eating sear.

Seriously, why is it everyone is crying foul because archers can't just stand there and spam the 1 key? If your linkshells aren't willing to let you in on runs, then maybe you should move on. I've been trying to convince one of our best geared Archers to try out this spot, and he'd be perfect, because he's already accustomed to the timing, as he's done this as a mage.

Skill + Brains > than a class or skill set. Just don't be an outright liability. I am fine with people not having sentinel on my runs. Those people better be able to self recover to some extent though.

I agree with you, I finally fought the hard Ifrit fight last night, (we won btw) as an arc, did I die? yes, but it was more an issue of not having done the fight before than any percieved liabilities that archer has, as far as damage went, my base damage with light shot (12~15 dmg) was not far behind than the mrds or lncs in the party (18~20 dmg) The only time anybody was able to do serious damage on Ifrit was when they were doing buffed ws, If they did it while Ifrit was readying eruption, they would die outright since they were locked in the animation at the time. Once I got raised and moved next to the mage as you suggested, I did a bit better, and once I learn the timing, I should be able to get through the fight without trouble. As far as Bloodletter goes, I noticed no difference in the proc rate of the dot (try boosting your piety)

Amazing what one can do when "elitists" try to decide your limits for you.

[Alerith]

I agree with you, I finally fought the hard Ifrit fight last night, (we won btw) as an arc, did I die? yes, but it was more an issue of not having done the fight before than any percieved liabilities that archer has, as far as damage went, my base damage with light shot (12~15 dmg) was not far behind than the mrds or lncs in the party (18~20 dmg) The only time anybody was able to do serious damage on Ifrit was when they were doing buffed ws, If they did it while Ifrit was readying eruption, they would die outright since they were locked in the animation at the time. Once I got raised and moved next to the mage as you suggested, I did a bit better, and once I learn the timing, I should be able to get through the fight without trouble. As far as Bloodletter goes, I noticed no difference in the proc rate of the dot (try boosting your piety)

Amazing what one can do when "elitists" try to decide your limits for you.

I don't recall anyone here saying it wasn't possible on ARC. Just that ARC wasn't optimal.

[Richard_BG]

I don't recall anyone here saying it wasn't possible on ARC. Just that ARC wasn't optimal.

guy still doesn't get it lol just can't seem to wrap his brain around it

[Rentahamster]

Amazing what one can do when "elitists" try to decide your limits for you.

Again, no one said you couldn't do it.

The point was that it's more difficult.

[Aistaraina]

guy still doesn't get it lol just can't seem to wrap his brain around it

I'd like to see his parse too. I doubt he's throwing up the 9K+ the average LNC will in a 4 LNC group. We threw a PGL into the mix the other day, and he worked his ass off and could only push out 8.5.

[AdvancedWind]

Probably somewhere in Ul'dah while you're killing Ifrit.

This post is pure gold.

[Demacia]

I wish I could be surprised that this thread reached page 56.

[Dargoth_Draconia]

For clarification's sake, can you somehow illustrate where the safe spots are for the tank, on a map of the Bowl of Embers? This would help as a resource for tanks learning the fight.

And no, you're not really safe from plumes behind Ifrit, I've been hit around there.

Youtube much?

[MizoreShirayuki]

When something cannot be handled even by a group of semi-hardcore players, it's bad design. From my perspective, the majority of thread responses have been from people who are much more quicker with their reflexes in these kinds of fights - as well as hardcore players.

What I don't like is the fact that people can't seem to empathize with the problem. If you're going to say such blatant things without actually trying to look at it from my perspective, your skills at debate and discussion are fairly poor.

Now, the point, like I said, is that MMORPGs are supposed to be like "theme parks", like what Yoshi-P said. If it's supposed to be a themepark, is it supposed to upset and anger me this much? Is it? I think a reasonable answer would be "No". Hence why I say it's bad design to have something around this long and even people like me still haven't been able to beat it.

And NO, I have no interest in joining a hardcore/endgame linkshell because quite frankly, Jesus Christ on a Pogostick, I do NOT like the atmosphere.

Go play World of Warcraft if this game is too hard for you k thx bye.