Physick II for SMN

[Symon17]

Red Mage needs a heal less than Summoners do. They don't have a pet to manage and keep alive to maintain a large chunk of their DPS.

I'd argue that rdm needs the heal more than smn does when soloing. You said it best that rdm doesnt have a pet to manage, meaning while smn has titan to take hits, rdm doesnt get a mini tank to take aggro off them. The solo balance feels closer than if smn got a tank pet and a heal at the level of vercure.

[Alisi]

I'd argue that rdm needs the heal more than smn does when soloing. You said it best that rdm doesnt have a pet to manage, meaning while smn has titan to take hits, rdm doesnt get a mini tank to take aggro off them. The solo balance feels closer than if smn got a tank pet and a heal at the level of vercure.

Titan doesn't take hits and it doesn't maintain aggro. Not in the brave, new SB world of ours. Why do you think every 60+ SMN is asking for a physick buff or sustain back?

[Fyce]

Why do you think every 60+ SMN is asking for a physick buff or sustain back?

Every SMN? I know I'm not asking for it. So your assessment is false. Don't make generalizations. Not every SMN is terrible to the point where their pet is always dying for some unknown reason.

And no, soloing boss FATEs and PotD were situations where SMN was OP. So these don't count.
Seriously, of all people asking for Sustain back "because Titan-egi is dying", I've not seen a single post telling why it died. Except once, when someone said that Titan-egi couldn't pull a dozen mobs anymore. But I don't think I have to comment on how silly this reason is.

So, please, at least don't say that every SMN want it back. That's not true.

[Alisi]

Every SMN? I know I'm not asking for it. So your assessment is false. Don't make generalizations. Not every SMN is terrible to the point where their pet is always dying for some unknown reason.

Yes, yes, the ultra special person who's better then everyone else and needs everyone to know it. It was only time until you made an appearance. I'm glad such a special butterfly and rare awesome, super special, bestest SMN like you would grace me with your wisdom.

And no, soloing boss FATEs and PotD were situations where SMN was OP. So these don't count.
Seriously, of all people asking for Sustain back "because Titan-egi is dying", I've not seen a single post telling why it died. Except once, when someone said that Titan-egi couldn't pull a dozen mobs anymore. But I don't think I have to comment on how silly this reason is.

Yes. Because killing things solo in the world is totally OP. That's why healers have no attack skills, right? Because they're HEALERS and it would totally be OP if they could do anything with their classes outside their assigned roles. It's not like SMNers are a pet class! Our pets shouldn't be allowed to live outside the narrow confines of the prescribed roll. That's what real tanks are for. Every SMN who didn't rely on a full party was just plain OP.

As for saying no one has said why Titan-egi died, perhaps you should read closer. I've said why he's died. ALMOST everyone *winkwink* has said why. Two mobs and he'd dead in three hits. We have no heals for him. He's a tank. Are you really confused how he's dying? Did tanks become immune to all damage? Did you think he commits suicide by jumping off an edge because we're not all as awesome as you are?

So, please, at least don't say that every SMN want it back. That's not true.

Oh yes. I forgot some people can't stand generalizations. You are a special butterfly. I won't forget.

[Fyce]

-bunch of trashtalk-

I did a little test session just for you. I went to fight a Lv.69 monster from the world, while being in Lv.60 gear. Actually, I didn't fight it myself. I let Titan-egi do all the hitting and hit taking.
It took more than one minute for Titan-egi to die. And even then, even in Lv.60 gear, Titan managed to remove a good third of the enemy HP bar. I didn't even hit Rouse or Enkindle. Of course, me not having any enmity, I was funnily able to resummon Titan-egi so it could keep tanking. But I didn't, since I don't have all day.

I then did another test. Still in Lv.60 gear. On the same monster. I let Titan-egi tank the monster, while I'd only put my two Dots on the enemy and then proceed to ruin spam. Only that. Nothing else.
The fight lasted ~45s. Titan-egi did not die (it still had 2/5 of its HP. Again, with me having Lv.60 gear).

And then a third test. Still wearing Lv.60 gear. Still with the same monsters. I pulled two monsters, and let Titan-egi tank them both. But this time, I used my skills. I used Bane, Painflare, Shadowflare, and even Deathflare (I did not use any Ruin III, I just entered Trance and then used Deathflare immediatly.)
The fight lasted less than a minute. Titan-egi died with the two monsters having around 10% HP left, which I was able to finish quite easily without even having to resummon Garuda or Ifrit.
(Yes, I was able to tank the two monsters myself for a few seconds, without any pet! What kind of sorcery is this?! It's almost like I have more than 1HP! Even in Lv.60 gear! I'm clearly a top ranked SMN.)

Final test. I put back my level 70 gear, pulled two monsters, and proceed to fight with Titan-egi. Used Rouse and Enkindle for Titan to keep aggro, used Ruin III under DWT, and all that good stuff. The two monsters got obliterated in less than 30 seconds, while Titan-egi kept half of its HP.

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So, please, again, tell me how completly broken SMN is because Sustain is gone. Tell me how Titan-egi "dies in three hits" when it can almost tank two monsters for a minute with me being completly ungeared and using my skills like a beginner SMN.
I'm not the special snowflake here. I'm not the one wanting SMN to be this kind of demi-god, being able to tank, heal and DPS at the same time while having an undying pet. I just realize that Sustain is not mandatory at all. It was the same in Heavensward, and it is still true in Stormblood.
If Sustain was mandatory, then I have no clue how I did manage to get to 70, doing all my questing with my Titan-egi. Hey, maybe I'm actually the best SMN of all time, yeah...
...Or maybe you don't know what you're talking aobut and you want a useless skill back because you can't do better than managing two dots and using Ruin while your pet is tanking, and that you are frustrated that you can't pull half the map with your job. Poor little you.

[Alisi]

So, please, again, tell me how completly broken SMN is because Sustain is gone. Tell me how Titan-egi "dies in three hits" when it can almost tank two monsters for a minute with me being completly ungeared and using my skills like a beginner SMN.

It can *almost* tank two mobs without dying. LMAO. Our tank's fine, guys. It can almost tank without dying and it holds aggro just fine if you use two dots and ruin 1 spam. We can all go home now. And do you really mean to tell me that SMN was a demigod because Titan-egi could survive tanking two mobs?

As for how it's broken: we're a pet class. Our DPS is tuned with our pets and the class revolves around mechanics that we are given very little control over. We get ruin 4 from our pets. Our pets have to be alive to summon Bahamut. One mess up and we're screwed. Have you had the fun of summoning Bahamut right before your pet dies? You realize that we have to start from the beginning, right? We're already heavily punished with our Aether flows if we mess up. This is just the icing on the cake. And, no, we don't *need* it. But there's very little in life that we actually *need*, if you want to split hairs on meanings. We can keep summoning out pets and taking minutes to kill two mobs, but it's a pet class and we should be given the tools to properly manage our pets.

As an aside, I apologize for my ad hominem attack comment to you. That was uncalled for and unwarrented. I woke with a migraine this morning but that wasn't your fault.

[Symon17]

It can *almost* tank two mobs without dying. LMAO. Our tank's fine, guys. It can almost tank without dying and it holds aggro just fine if you use two dots and ruin 1 spam. We can all go home now. And do you really mean to tell me that SMN was a demigod because Titan-egi could survive tanking two mobs?

The two enemies in question here are level 69. You're sarcastically saying there's a problem with a class being challenged by two enemies that are 9 effective levels higher. When can we admit that the real issue is that SMN does not have strong tanking, healing, AND damage capabilities anymore? But no other class is a one man party, why should SMN be?

[Furrythefireman]

But on your test did you try a fate?? Did you try msq with a lot of trash mobs? Did you try any 60 plus missions with a lot of trash mobs that run right past titan and almost kill you because titan can only attract so many enemy's before they kill him because you have no way of healing him? When you test that out then tell off why we don't need sustain.