Really afraid SE is going to think things are fine because of the amount of WHM/SCHs

[Demise]

ITT an AST main talking about the other healers being OP. Haha.

[Kazukiyashuo]

ITT an AST main talking about the other healers being OP. Haha.

My main was SCH till SB launch and ive decided to try AST cause i was playing SCH for 3 years and i got bored of it. I know if SCH was OP and yeah he was OP.Now not anymore thats all the crying about it

[Maltothoris]

Wont comment about AST having stonger shields cause if u would spare a min u could see that they have the same shields. Not to mention the MP that is seems AST shield is a bit more.

Let's compare then

Aldo vs NoctAspBene

Aldo is a 300 pot shield and 300 pot heal which cost 1800 mp with a cast time of 2 seconds.

Noct AspBene is a 230 pot heal with a 575 shield which cost 1440 mp with an instant cast time.

Winner is Noct aspbene for higher overall potency (805>600), less mp (1440v1800) and faster cast time (instant vs 2 s). Only weakness is that it can't be deployed.

Succor vs Noct Aspected Helios

Succor is a 150/150 for a total of 300 with a cast time of 2.5 seconds. Noct Aspected Helios is a 172.5 heal and a 258.75 shield for a total of 431.25 shields with a cast of 3 seconds. Both cost the same mp as I recall.

Succor may be a little faster but Noct Helios is 43 percent stronger so Noct Aspect Helios wins.

[tikiwiki]

well u said so much non sense that im not even going to reply to all of them. Do u even know what is changed to SCH ? cause i know and u obviously dont . Go and read the patch notes again. Your numbers are tottaly subjective and they dont prove anything at all. Wont comment about AST having stonger shields cause if u would spare a min u could see that they have the same shields. Not to mention the MP that is seems AST shield is a bit more. WE had an op pet at HW and now we dont . Deal with it

wasnt really op in hw and with the other healrs buffs to hps it definitly wouldnt be op now but now the other healers have better hps and we have the lowest and we also have the highest mana cost

[SeriousxSarcasm]

My main was SCH till SB launch and ive decided to try AST cause i was playing SCH for 3 years and i got bored of it. I know if SCH was OP and yeah he was OP.Now not anymore thats all the crying about it

If you haven't played and seen the changes to SCH in Stormblood, what makes you any sort of authority on whether the nerfs are fair?

Edit: Also I don't see much crying. I see most people having a discussion about the maths behind the abilities, and possible ways to rebalance it. Not like what you see in the tank forums, that's for sure. XD

[Anselmet]

well u said so much non sense that im not even going to reply to all of them. Do u even know what is changed to SCH ? cause i know and u obviously dont . Go and read the patch notes again. Your numbers are tottaly subjective and they dont prove anything at all. Wont comment about AST having stonger shields cause if u would spare a min u could see that they have the same shields. Not to mention the MP that is seems AST shield is a bit more. WE had an op pet at HW and now we dont . Deal with it

I just want to say I find it hilarious how quickly another poster came in an quickly debunked you. It has been calculated several times in several different threads that Ast shields are superior to Sch shields. Looks like you have to go look at the notes, not me. And furthermore, while we did have an op pet it does not mean that aspected benefict and helios could only be beaten by an critlo and deploy tactics back in hw after 3.4 which is when Ast started to become on par with Sch. Seems to me you haven't played either classes that long (or certainly was not paying attention), friend. And my numbers are not 'subjective'. How on earth is actual data and numbers 'subjective'. Also -squints- lvl 61 sch. Nice. Come again when you are actually lvl 70.

My point still stands that Ast is stronger, has been getting stronger, and sch needs to have adjustments due to it being the weakest healer. And the last thing whms and schs need in this thread is to have someone who mains Ast come tell us we're fine.

[Kazukiyashuo]

Let's compare then

Aldo vs NoctAspBene

Aldo is a 300 pot shield and 300 pot heal which cost 1800 mp with a cast time of 2 seconds.

Noct AspBene is a 230 pot heal with a 575 shield which cost 1440 mp with an instant cast time.

Winner is Noct aspbene for higher overall potency (805>600), less mp (1440v1800) and faster cast time (instant vs 2 s). Only weakness is that it can't be deployed.

Succor vs Noct Aspected Helios

Succor is a 150/150 for a total of 300 with a cast time of 2.5 seconds. Noct Aspected Helios is a 172.5 heal and a 258.75 shield for a total of 431.25 shields with a cast of 3 seconds. Both cost the same mp as....

Well u forgot to mention the biggest difference which is that shields from SCH can do DOUBLE potency if they CRIT and ASTs dont. Also dont count the healing bonus from sect cause SCH has 3 different ways to increase his own healing by a bigger amount and AST has 1 . SO plz do your math correctly

[tikiwiki]

increase its potency with a bad role skill thats much better on ast increase its potency by killing the fairy which means you have so resummon it giving you bigger mana issues so the only viable option is illumination which also benefits all other healers also crits are not consistant so a non crit ast shield being barely weaker than a crit adlo is much stronger than you make it out to be

[Kazukiyashuo]

increase its potency with a bad role skill thats much better on ast increase its potency by killing the fairy which means you have so resummon it giving you bigger

dissipation is perfect skill unless u dont like the free aetherflow stacks. Still SCH has 3 ways to increase 20% healing including the class role skill. This means u can have +20% heal for a lot more time comparing to astro. And plz go try that out before u make a statement. have u ever seen what crit adlo can do in terms of mitigation ? AST would never do that . Its not barely weaker , its a lot weaker , since ASTs shield is the same 24/7 SCH not. Have u also seen the crit rate of the new materias ? plz nough said. SCH still has the strongest mitigation, if he wouldnt have that then noone would be left playing SCH. Thats his utility, the shields. AST is balanced at everything and excels at nothing, thats why his utility is buffs for the party

[loreleidiangelo]

wasnt really op in hw and with the other healrs buffs to hps it definitly wouldnt be op now but now the other healers have better hps and we have the lowest and we also have the highest mana cost

SCH was definitely OP in HW; sorry if that sounds indelicate, but it is true. WHM and DiAST were alsways the two competing for raid spots during the entirety of 3.x. That said, I'm never of the belief that balance is a zero-sum game - just because SCH was OP before doesn't mean it "deserves" to be nerfed into uselessness now like some other people seem to think. I think they should have gone with the DoT+Aetherflow nerf or the fairy/mana costs nerf, not all of the above. The devs were definitely a bit heavy-handed with the bat this go-around, IMO.