Royal Menagerie

[Lildragora]

If you are having trouble in DF, and or PF but feel competent at the fight, watch a video and then on the next run take your prior knowledge and any descriptive commentary you learned form the video and relay that information to the party. Add a constructive conversation. If people ignore the feedback and continue to mess up no amount of wipes will fix that but I think you will find a good portion of people will be receptive and want to continue. a couple people messing up shouldn't affect a successful outcome if majority are willing to improve. Just be polite and make sure people know you can help them with mechanics if needed.

After my clear I ended up helping a few people through and after a few wipes, we left the DF and I went the above route and we got the clear on the 3rd pull.

[ArchlordPie]

I agree that Royal Menagerie is too hard for a MSQ scenario. The mechanics move too fast and are too punishing if you mess them up, and the boss has way more health than it needs to have. The fact that there's no Echo further compounds the problem.

For the record, if this were the Minstrel's Ballad version of the fight, I wouldn't be complaining. You get what you ask for when you run high-end content. On the other hand, I shouldn't have to watch a guide video and flawlessly execute mechanics at the speed of light for 15 minutes straight just to finish the main story. There are literally EX trials that are easier than this.

[Jeatac]

I love this trial as it is. If you don't know gaming mechanic's or how you play your job very well this will help teach you. Watch youtubes there are many on SB dungeons and trials that are done by those who have been faithfully putting them together for player benefits over the years. No reason to take 15-20 minutes and watch them, that's why these people take their time to help others out by making them for people exactly as the OP. No reason to get discouraged,it's all in fun!

[Sunspawn]

IMO, regular, non-Savage/Extreme content should be actually hard. I still remember the bitter disappointment that was Castrum Meridianum and Praetorium at the tail end of the ARR grind-fest of fetch errands.

[Clethoria]

Well, after quite a few attempts, this casual dungeon runner will never do it again IF I make it through. IMO, it is too difficult for a MSQ for more casual players and putting a flight aether behind it ain't cool.

If I can clear it then literally anyone can. Party was mostly blind and it's literally get good at managing sprint and pay the hell attention to mechanics. The button mashing isn't hard either. It's not like you're playing Bayonetta or Asura's Wrath. Games with actually difficult prompts and don't give you the convenience of as many "don't stand here" warnings. And both can be beaten by the most casual of casuals if they take more than 10 seconds to pay attention and use some brain power to figure out what they're doing wrong.

[Kengi_Stargazer]

It really needs Nerfed already or just made optional entirely. Tried for over 8 hours to clear this Ive tried every tweak to my DPS rotation , Best gear i can possibly have at Level 70 , watched 4 or 5 videos explaining every mechanic , and did both DF and PF there simply is no way to clear it for me. I even went to my FC of 140+ people and tried getting help from ones i guess who somehow had super luck in beating it already. The Boss has too much HP and stacks too much damage that healers in every run I did cant keep up even more so on the second phase when the platforms can be removed. If the platforms after say 45 Seconds would return it would be easier. The echo would help but im not sure how well since like any Dungeon run or Trial people are likely to quit after a wipe or 2.

[Axxion]

It really needs Nerfed already or just made optional entirely. Tried for over 8 hours to clear this Ive tried every tweak to my DPS rotation , Best gear i can possibly have at Level 70 , watched 4 or 5 videos explaining every mechanic , and did both DF and PF there simply is no way to clear it for me. I even went to my FC of 140+ people and tried getting help from ones i guess who somehow had super luck in beating it already. The Boss has too much HP and stacks too much damage that healers in every run I did cant keep up even more so on the second phase when the platforms can be removed. If the platforms after say 45 Seconds would return it would be easier. The echo would help but im not sure how well since like any Dungeon run or Trial people are likely to quit after a wipe or 2.

If you are failing to clear a PF can help with that. Truth be told imo the fight is easy once everybody knows what to do.

[Leigaon]

Not sure if it needs a nerf, this fight isn't that difficult. If your are a player that has been blindly gliding your way through content, then yes it's a skill gap. But this is what we need, someone who still has issues dodging plumes on Titan like bosses that have consequences..like death. It's a trickle down that will benefit everyone, annoying to some of those at first though.

I'm trying to see what makes it so hard for people? These are are all mechanics we've seen before in one way or form.

Waterfall: Levi-ex
Pools of Water for Fire Resistance / Fire AoE: Scylla
Earth: Bait the cones out to the side like Diabolos or Sephirot
Ice: Shiva
Wind: Typhon or Aero III from the first boss in the last Void runs.
Button Tapping: Playstation One video games..lol go play Dragon Ball GT Final Bout!

Kill the tail and run to the sides when he does the large bacon line of sight.

I mean you can die, I tapped my joystick for Ice and fell off as a WAR. lol it's possible people need to just learn and those who are quitting are either not worth keeping because they're not as good or they demand perfection and they will cause stress.

Good luck though!

[Shurrikhan]

I agree that Royal Menagerie is too hard for a MSQ scenario. The mechanics move too fast and are too punishing if you mess them up, and the boss has way more health than it needs to have. The fact that there's no Echo further compounds the problem.

For the record, if this were the Minstrel's Ballad version of the fight, I wouldn't be complaining. You get what you ask for when you run high-end content. On the other hand, I shouldn't have to watch a guide video and flawlessly execute mechanics at the speed of light for 15 minutes straight just to finish the main story. There are literally EX trials that are easier than this.

The fight is mechanically easy. Every mechanic has obvious visual displays that you will have seen in previous MSQ fights.

The only issue is that mistakes compound painfully when DPS is ridiculously low. There's too much health to carry 4 corpses without Refresh/Tactician. Or even just half-corpses.

[Vallamaria]

It's the final fight of the base expansion. It should be more difficult - that being said nothing added is new. It's all repeated mechanics from the past 69 levels worth of dungeons and trials.

Yeah, but unfortunately extremely casual players are practically allergic to things like communication, learning, and having to pay attention. Why just the mere thought of a MSQ that isn't literal faceroll levels of easy makes them break out in hives!