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[Reynhart]

Blood Price MP returns in ST fight is a joke now.

But your single target MP regen doesn't rely solely on Blood Price. And as a whole, it's much faster to refill your MP now, especially if you're under Grit.

Also, there is some debate on this, but some people are saying the math means that Bloodspiller is actually a DPS loss to use due it being on the GCD and delaying the use of Syphon Strike.

This is misinformation, there is no "delay" resulting in a DPS loss. What can be a DPS loss is spending too much MP on Blackest Night instead of Dark Arts, but that's without considering the times where TBN is used for mitigation, and that BloodSpiller ignore's the damage penalty.

[Chrono_Rising]

But your single target MP regen doesn't rely solely on Blood Price. And as a whole, it's much faster to refill your MP now, especially if you're under Grit.

I think the word you are looking for is only in grit, not especially. Syphon strike out of grit restores exactly the same amount of mp in proportion to a dark arts as it did previously. 2 syphon strikes = 1 Dark Arts. Blood weapon was buffed slightly in terms of how many actions it takes to get a dark arts (it takes 2.5 physical actions less now), but on the other hand they removed two physical oGCDs and removed the ability for us to have two sources of mp regeneration ticking at the same time. However, we no longer lose mp standing around converting oxygen into carbon dioxide in battle so I guess we sorta have more mp?

word limit, I apparently have too much to say always.

[Reynhart]

I think the word you are looking for is only in grit, not especially.

Yes, and delirium...and the fact that Darkside doesn't drain your MP. That alone is a huge improvement

[Chrono_Rising]

and the fact that Darkside doesn't drain your MP. That alone is a huge improvement

I beleive I mentioned this. Let me be more explicit. Which would I want more 353 mana per hit in all stances, or a drain of 187.

Delirium is nice in that it gives us 2.4 more dark arts every 2 minutes. Comparing this to 30% buffs every minute for warrior, or a 25% buff on paladin every minute and a seperate 20% buff every minute. Working out some math on both of those for their burst windows and delirium is a buff of about 100 less than the smallest of those buffs. Seems delirium is a little undertuned imo.

[Falar]

But your single target MP regen doesn't rely solely on Blood Price. And as a whole, it's much faster to refill your MP now, especially if you're under Grit.

This is misinformation, there is no "delay" resulting in a DPS loss. What can be a DPS loss is spending too much MP on Blackest Night instead of Dark Arts, but that's without considering the times where TBN is used for mitigation, and that BloodSpiller ignore's the damage penalty.

Since Bloodspiller is on the GCD every use of it delays the use of your resource generating abilities--SS and SE.

[Reynhart]

Since Bloodspiller is on the GCD every use of it delays the use of your resource generating abilities--SS and SE.

Yeah, one Syphon Strike equals 1/2 Dark Arts, so 70 opportunity potency, yet BloodSpiller still has a higher average than a full powered Soul Eater combo with that 70 bonus potency...
Jeez, this is at least the fourth thread we have to make that calculation so people strop spreadin misinformation.