The Ifrit Fight is Dangerous to the Community.

[Rentahamster]

"Dangerous to the community?" Resentment? "Community Unity?" Do you know what I resent? Inanity. Look it up, it's a great word. Phrases like the the unity of the community and other talking points are growing to be way too common. These things are being used as a bludgeon by the inane to try to get one's way.

They feel left behind, weak, listless, and are not being listened to - they are the little guy. Do you know why? Because they are inane, they are spectacularly boring and repetitive, they don't like a challenge they want it all handed over. They scream they represent the majority, they scream loud and long and far; and surely that means they are the voice of all.

I am part of the community, you do not represent me, and your entire idealism that everyone feels like this beat up lost weak creature is not who I am. Your demands that people that can succeed need to be diminished are as invalid as your fallacious logic that you are in fact the representative of the masses. I'm tired of these wearying demands that we hear you out, while you hold us hostage with a sad, whining persistence.

I speak for me. I like this battle, I like challenges, I like scores being kept, I like getting beat sometimes to get better, I like red ink on my errors, I like difference, I like division, I like hierarchy, I like rich, I like good, I like strong.

I am not a victim, and I will not have people like me made into sacrifices to mediocracy. To quote Hank Reardon, "If it is now the belief of my fellow men, who call themselves the public, that their mood requires victims, then I say: The public good be damned, I will have no part of it!"

We are the 20%!

(of people who have beaten Ifrit so far)

[Nel_Celestine]

While I agree the ifrit fight is hard, it is only hard because of the lag issues. Once that is fixed and dealt with everyone will realize just how easy this fight will be.

[PikachuLink]

This Ifrit fight isnt dangerous to the community...its atleast content...tho malnurished content...Paying to play for this game ATM is dangerous because your prolly ganna lose anywhere from 1/3rd - 2/4th of the player base come pay time....and this game already has close to the lowest playerbase out of any online game.

[lordvr]

The fight requires players to have high level abilities from many different classes, so most people ready for the content will be able to change class at will. It's meant to be the ultimate challenge for end game players, as it stands.

[Richard_BG]

This Ifrit fight isnt dangerous to the community...its atleast content...tho malnurished content...Paying to play for this game ATM is dangerous because your prolly ganna lose anywhere from 1/3rd - 1/4th of the player base come pay time....and this game already has close to the lowest playerbase out of any online game.

here we go again

[RolandDebreton]

This Ifrit fight isnt dangerous to the community...its atleast content...tho malnurished content...Paying to play for this game ATM is dangerous because your prolly ganna lose anywhere from 1/3rd - 2/4th of the player base come pay time....and this game already has close to the lowest playerbase out of any online game.

9000 paying customers are better than 12000 moochers, or do you "work" in a non-for-profit and not get this very simple concept of business?

Incidentally, you are in the wrong forum - stay on topic, heaven forbid this topic get shut down...

[TheVedis]

9000 paying customers are better than 12000 moochers, or do you "work" in a non-for-profit and not get this very simple concept of business?

Incidentally, you are in the wrong forum - stay on topic, heaven forbid this topic get shut down...

9000/12000 is a pretty low estimate too, im pretty sure we are well above that right now, just a matter of how much above that

[Zezlar]

The only thing I don't like about the Ifrit fight is the community's stance toward it. Unless you have almost every ability from the War classes including Bloodbath 2, SW2, and Sentinel you're pretty much denied access. I understand that those abilities make the fight easier but to flat out deny people because they don't play as much as they do is pretty messed up.

[DrekeLamorte]

Good morning.

I'm not even going to bother responding to the new posts in full, as I've already provided the responses earlier in the thread to such statements. The gist of it is below...

Regarding R25 Ifrit Fight: It's not repeatable unless someone in your party has the quest, and the behavioral patterns of Ifrit are not the same as R50. So that does not qualify.

Regarding using other class abilities: Stop thinking that "everybody" has the time to go around getting all of the classes to the appropriate rank just so they can participate in Ifrit "optimally". This is exclusionary behavior.

Regarding everybody else's responses: Read through the entire thread and learn how to respond through proper context, please. Just standing there from your own perspective and slinging your canned responses isn't going to help advance a constructive discussion.

I swear, this forum is hosting a community that is worse than World of Warcraft's at times...

You do realize you just said some hypocritical things right? No? Maybe that's because of your responses being from your own perspective and slinging your canned responses.

You want to be able to do EVERYTHING in the game at any point in time no matter what, otherwise is exclusionary? Guess what kid. Get over it. Learning disabilities, physical handicap, mental fortitude. You should NOT be catered too. You play the game at the same level as everybody else, if you fail, you pick yourself up, discuss strategy, and dive back in like everyone else.

Quit thinking that you don't have to level up other classes to be effective at endgame content. You really don't understand this game at all if you think that you can get by on single class only skill-sets for the most challenging content thus far.

[Diyne]

I think the fight is fine. There's a reason it's called (HARD). It's just a matter of getting people to do things right. Smaller group oriented material = smaller margin for error. Mix that up with the lag, and you've got an even smaller margin.

Your party members need to be on the ball. I have not beaten this fight yet. We've only had maybe 3 hours to work at it with my static.. Not that many attempts, really. We've seen heavy progression in the fight each time. We will get it. Only half of our party really has any 'raiding' experience, so we are really working to teach our friends how the fight works.

Welcome to 'raiding', where you throw yourself at something for at LEAST 10-20 attempts with a static until you and your hopefully skillful party have drilled the encounter into their head, and learn how it works.