Suggestions for holding hate (WAR)

[Casmi]

Wow, thank you all so much for the response. This has yielded very useful information and I believe the biggest missing piece to be Steel Cyclone. This skill has been bugged for me since SB release. Every time I put it on a hotbar, it adds Decimate instead. I have a help ticket in for this, so once that is resolved, I should be much more efficient. Again, thanks for being an amazing community!

[Gooner_iBluAirJGR]

This skill has been bugged for me since SB release. Every time I put it on a hotbar, it adds Decimate instead.

In Stormblood Steel Cyclone will automatically switch to Decimate when you switch from Defiance to Deliverance. Same with IB and Fell Cleave & Inner Release and Unchained.

[Casmi]

Ewww, wish I could delete that post...Thanks for the help.

[Deadeye]

You just have to angle things more and get used to using Overpower.

Use your Steel Cyclone more and other CDs as well

[Creativephobia]

I never really relied on Flash before so it's really not a big deal. Only when things spawn in a circular patern was Flash really useful (or when we used to be pacified).

WAR was the only tank who had no use for their MP pool if they weren't flashing, and you're saying that it wasn't that useful? Really? Best way to aoe pull in this game for the past 4 years has been to tomahawk/shield lob/unmend and flash/unleash as you run through the pack. Add a off-gcd buff to snap hate on the stragglers between the two actions for even more efficacy. Trying to do that with overpower makes you miss enemies all the time thanks to server latency. And the cone is rarely wide enough to grab everything at once anyway.

Overpower has always been clunky for picking things up, but it was and is still great once you already have threat. Cyclone really needs to be adjusted to compensate so that it's available for every pull if this is truly the way WAR is going to stay.

[Creativephobia]

I never used flash even since ARR as it was always kinda garbage of a GCD.

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Don't worry much about these, your DPS/healers can take hits for a couple of seconds, just try your best not to let that happen if possible.

I love how the justification for people who never used flash is basically "Stay in defiance all the time" or "You'll lose hate once in awhile, but your party members can OT until you build threat again..." No offense, but these are not good comments...

WAR got hit by a piledriver of nerfs all at once, and staying in tank stance 100% of the time invalidates a good quarter of its abilities. If SE didn't want players to be using them, they would've probably cut them with the other "useless" skills that were already removed.

Tanks should have no problem generating threat or holding it. There's some decent suggestions here for weaving in more SC than we used to, but it's basically like trying to put a band-aid on an amputated limb.

[BluexBird]

I've never used Flash and always relied on Overpower to pick up monsters. I use it twice, maybe three times, and then start putting Storm's Eye up. If I'm tanking more than 3 monsters, I'll use Steel Cyclone as soon as it's up. Else it's just Inner Beast, really. Before, you'd be able to go into Deliverance for some Fell Cleaves, but that has become painful as of late.

One thing I never understood is Warriors who say they have TP issues. I once had someone tell me Warriors were the worst tanks because they ran out of MP too fast and then couldn't use Flash anymore. Like... what? Really makes me wonder...

Unless you're tanking in Deliverance, you shouldn't be having problems if you open up with two or three Overpowers. Especially now that Berserk is on a low cooldown, you can open up with Berserked Overpowers. And if you time yourself properly, you'll even have a little bit left of Storm's Eye on the next encounter.

[Eir_Z]

Losing flash required a big adjustment for most warrior mains. But, it just takes practice and utilizing more than overpower to make up for the loss. Picking up mobs during a fight can be more challenging, but using an onslaught -> overpower combo tends to establish threat pretty well. One thing I've noticed though is I feel like I have to hold enough gauge for steel cyclone which is fine, but SC costs a lot. I'd love to see SC & decimate's cost drop to 30.

If you're still having trouble holding threat, use your markers! Ask your dps to focus that mob first since it'll making establishing threat easier for you.

[Casmi]

I have used the tips in this thread with great success. I have done well in the 61 and 63 dungeons so far with holding hate and maintaining TP.

Thanks again for all the positive feedback!