What is this new anti dps healer attitude?

[PharisHanasaki]

You're right about not being able to DPS as much, we no longer outgear the content by wide margin anymore so everyone is having to pay just a wee bit more attention these days. It's also smart to set yourself limits, nobody in this thread is advocating for people to DPS irresponsibly. It's just a discussion between folks who think any healer dps is irresponsible and those of us who know we are capable of managing our resources properly.

Thanks :> I was merely stating this because it was stressing me not being able to dps as before. You know, all them elitists complaining about healers not dpsing. Now I just can't do it without risking my party dying. The Vault has become particularly hard, even without dpsing I end up running out of mana with heals when the tank does big pulls. And I feel my parties just aren't evading AoEs as before either x.x

[Keridwyn]

Thanks :> I was merely stating this because it was stressing me not being able to dps as before. You know, all them elitists complaining about healers not dpsing. Now I just can't do it without risking my party dying. The Vault has become particularly hard, even without dpsing I end up running out of mana with heals when the tank does big pulls. And I feel my parties just aren't evading AoEs as before either x.x

The Vault has always been one of those dungeons, it's so easy for everything to go south in there and we don't have a lot of our best toys to salvage the situation with. Just do the best you can and if that means you don't DPS when the damage is flying, that's fine. It's about personal comfort ultimately. Although if your parties are actively standing in the bad just remember at that point it's not you, it's them.

[loreleidiangelo]

I'd actually hazard that it's easier to DPS than ever with the rework of Cleric Stance and how laughably pared down "healer DPS rotations" have become (in most cases literally two or three buttons now instead of four or five). Couple that with some of the insane throughput cooldowns healers like Astrologian got, and you're pretty set to snooze your way Gravity-ing through expert roulettes all the way to 5.0.

[Sereph6]

Was this is response to me? O.o Or the OP? Because neither of us have issues with healers DPSing. Both of us DPS as healers ourselves.

Sorry I wasn't clear enough. I was talking to all of the people here complaining about their healer dpsing.

[ElroyDrundan]

If a DRK casts blood price and you can't wait 4 seconds for him to get aggro and manage MP so you can easily holy spam, then your just making things more difficult for others.

Healers were made to be able to DPS easy, and they balanced around that. Mobs hit harder and tanks have less mitigation... you can't dps as much as you used to.
If any DPS or tank dies while your DPSing, the loss of damage because of that is greater then what you will pull. So DPS, but don't make things harder by forgetting people in general take more damage and tanks can't just absorb as much damage anymore. Should people complain to you about this? No, not really unless you are killing the group.

I would like clarification about blood price. When I WHM for large pulls will follow the tank (can't really heal during many of the bigger pulls as there isn't much time between groups to get a heal off. Once the tank has them he will have lost hit points. I will typically does on a regen as I run to the tank and then if i can insta cast holy. This will stun the mobs for 4secs giving me a chance to catch up on healing, apply the AoE regen if needed, I'm not casting it to OMG dps.

The first Holy has the added benefit of canceling the 3plus AoEs the mobs are casting on the tank/dps. It really cleans up the pull.

Stun has diminishing returns so at max mobs will be stunned for 6secs at the start of the big pull.

There is no way the DK has lost a huge amount of mana in that first 6secs so I would say to the DK wait to apply it. you will still have all the mobs up you will actually have used mana. Holy is one of the big advantages WHM have with large pulls.

Am I missing something else with DP?

Again it isn't about OMG dps for most WHM it really stabilizes incoming and means I don't have to burn healing cooldowns to get the tank back up.

[Ferrasper]

I was thinking about this, but I also think how it is presented affects whether a person wants to dps or not. I am thinking about leveling a SCH up because my SMN is already 60. I save some leveling time. If I do try it though and I get a tank or dps that is yelling at me to dps, their yelling will activate my stubborn side, and I will tell them to shut it. There might have been a chance I would be willing to learn to dps as a healer once I got comfortable with it, but if that does happen, the chance will be gone forever just so I can gain a victory against people forcing it on others.

[Lunafreya]

I've got attitude twice this expansion for not even dpsing much. I never even WIPED once until my 2nd run of Doma Castle and the final trial but those weren't my fault either. Anyway, first run of Doma Castle there were no wipes but a dps made a comment on me saying ''Healer jobs are meant to heal... or is that just me o.o'' I didn't respond to him cause I was healing but little did he know I had Earthly star up and dpsing so he thought I wasn't healing at all. The 2nd time I got attitude this expansion was in the final trial.... where a tank told me I should be raising instead of dpsing. Why waste mp raising people dying to obvious stuff?

[AxlStream]

As a tank, here's my perspective. While leveling through Stormblood, always using a cooldown sometimes 2 depending on the pull, I often saw healers casting a 10K cure when I had only 3K-4K HP missing or curing after Equilibrium. On top of that when the party is indeed full HP, I saw a high number of healers just standing around, running to treasure chests or just jumping around. As much as I feel that a healer should play the way he is most comfortable, don't be that healer with pauses of 4-5 seconds between casts. The DPS players might not notice but the tank sure will and he'll be annoyed that he has to fight for his aggro non-stop thanks to RDM players not managing their aggro while you just stand there looking pretty.

[AlphaSonic]

Oh so I'm fine then? I feel I can't dps as much as before because tanks are squishy and dps can't take down shit as fast as before. And since I can't choose between using Malefic I instead of Malefic II when my mana pool is below half I simply stop all dps :P

Malefic I/II/III cost the same MP in the expansion now. And by the same MP i mean that the MP difference between Benefic - Malefic I/II/III is always at the same proportion. The same way as Cure and Stone/II/III/IIII always have the same MP cost.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Yeah, it's great~ I've kicked a little over six dozen dpsing healer PUGs since the start of SB! I don't mind if it's a healer I know and trust, but PUGs don't do it well, so not gonna carry~