What is this new anti dps healer attitude?

[Keridwyn]

YOU may want to get used to the stance SE is taking; Healers are HEALERS, not DPS. Healers DPS'ing during runs is basically over. Throwing something out, tank's almost dead. That's YOUR fault. People die while you are DPS'ing, your fault.

SE is hardlining the roles.

Then why did they give WHM so much boom? Seriously every other healer had their personal dps cut except WHM. If they didn't want us to DPS Assize would have seen a hit to it's damage componant and Thin Air would only apply to our healing spells rather than letting us rip off a plethora of zero cost Holy casts.

I still have all the tools I need to keep you healthy, including Benediction which can now be used even more often! If I WHM isn't supposed to help DPS when my party is healthy...what else do I do? No duty needs 100% uptime on heals outside maybe Shinryu and even then I can get an Aero 2 in edgewise now and then.

I don't have buffs, I have a single single target shield on a cooldown, and I sure as sugar don't debuff the boss. So do I just stare at cat photos or can I toss some rocks?

[Neroos]

I'm just getting used to DPS'ing as a Healer. I hope it doesn't change.

[HyoMinPark]

And then, there is the other side. More than once have i gotten critisized for not dpsing with astro, while i was keeping everyone at 100% health at all times and buffing like a crazy person. Yeah...how about no.

You can only draw cards once every 30 seconds, and Royal Road cards every 30 to 60 seconds (depending on if you were already holding a card or had to start fresh), so the buffing part seems like it would leave you with a lot of downtime after the fact. Also, I hope you aren't overhealing to keep everyone consistently at 100% HP, which, in normal/daily roulette content, isn't necessary. Overhealing is bad, so don't do it. Sure, your DPS shouldn't be clinging to the very last drops in their HP pool, but there isn't enough outgoing damage in daily content where you have to keep everyone topped off 100% of the time.

I find dpsing with a healer extremely boring , risky and unrewarding. Apart from your tanks getting destroyed, as has happened many times on last trial and in 70 dungs already, when you let a tank very low, he will have to use cooldowns that would have probably been needed at another time. And more importantly, when you let your actual dps on very low amounts of health, their will start prioritizing dodging and surviving than maximizing their dps output. Thats actual huge dps loss just because you wanna cast your crappy malefic/stone or w/e. In late HW, this didnt show that much because of the huge gap in gear, but thats not the case in SB especially with the shift from class difficulty to mobs/bosses difficulty. People need to understand this.

You're entitled to your opinion, but a skilled healer contributing to DPS is neither risky nor unrewarding: it's a net gain to overall party DPS. And a lot of the healers that willingly juggle DPS and healing don't find the juggle boring at all.

Tanks should not be sitting on their cooldowns. Very rarely are there instances where you want to hold a cooldown for a large hit, and those are very few and far between in normal/daily roulette content (they're more so in extreme trials and savage raids). Tanks should be consistently rotating their cooldowns to make it easier on, not just the healers, but themselves as well. Also, those DPS that like standing in the bad eventually end up as dead DPS, which is an even bigger DPS loss than dodging AOEs. So DPS should always be avoiding the avoidable, not standing in it because MUH DEEPS. You can't DPS if you're dead, so you better be dodging. People need to understand this.

[BlastHardcheese]

Let me just correct you on this. My SO tanks. He is a GREAT tank. I don't just say that because he is my SO. When he isn't so great or slacking, I tell him so. I'VE noticed how hard he is getting hit. I asked him if he was slacking. He wasn't.

They ARE using their CD's. They ARE mitigating. They ARE getting hit like trucks.

YOU may want to get used to the stance SE is taking; Healers are HEALERS, not DPS. Healers DPS'ing during runs is basically over. Throwing something out, tank's almost dead. That's YOUR fault. People die while you are DPS'ing, your fault.

SE is hardlining the roles.

Yeah, well, they shouldn't have given me a giant AoE on my AST then. What exactly do you think that's for? Gathering up mobs in the overworld? Gravity costs so much as to make you think about casting it but it's obviously for group play, same with Holy, Aero III, Bane, Shadowflare etc.

I agree people dying if I'm DPS'ing is my fault, that's why I think critically about when to DPS and don't let them die, it's over when I can't stop spamming Heals which isn't yet, not by a long shot.

[Lildragora]

no fight is designed with healer dps in mind yoshida said this 4 times. emphasizing it highly.

Yeah, thats what I said. Fights shouldn't be.

[Aomine1992]

SB made healer dps really pointless your dmg is much lower fully geared at 70 and I'm doing dmg as if I was still lvl 60 HW, but also I notice either I'm out of mana quick or the tank is taking to big of hits so I don't bother to do it anymore unless we are at a boss (not primals lol won't ever do that at 70 primals) or at some small small mobs that don't do anything but currently at 70 if I am tanking I do not wanna see the healer dps'n or someone is going to die lol and as a healer at 70 I don't bother since the tank pulls half the dungeon anyways which I'm not complaining because dps is much higher this time around for dps....SB said good bye to you guys healer and tank meta which you can only blame each other for

[Keridwyn]

SB made healer dps really pointless your dmg is much lower fully geared at 70 and I'm doing dmg as if I was still lvl 60 HW. I notice either I'm out of mana quick or the tank is taking to big of hits so I don't bother to do it anymore unless we are at a boss.

Not sure what healer you're playing but if you are running out of mana on a WHM you need to reconsider your cooldown usage. Between the fact that both of our instant 'oh fudge' heals are zero mana, the fact that Asylum costs nothing, the fact that Assize actively refunds our mana, the fact that Lucid Dreaming refunds more mana than SoS used to, and the almighty Thin Air to allow us to cast without cost...you are honestly doing it wrong if you find yourself running dry. I can still spam out Holy, Aero 3, Holy, Cure 2 and you'll not only be alive, I'll still have 90% of my mana. WHM has 99 problems but mana really isn't one.

I am tanking I do not wanna see the healer dps'n or someone is going to die lol and as a healer at 70 I don't bother since the tank pulls half the dungeon anyways which I'm not complaining because dps is much higher this time around for dps....SB said good bye to you guys healer and tank meta which you can only blame each other for

You're right, they did change the meta. They removed old Cleric Stance which means as long as I'm paying attention I can keep my tank healed and DPS much much easier. Don't get me wrong, if you are a squishy squishy tank who's still pulling like this is three weeks ago and you outgear everything...you will die. But that's on you, not me. I've said this before on this thread, if you pull enough stuff that you die in the 2.5 seconds it takes me to cast Aero 3 it doesn't matter because Cure 2 has the same cast time and you'd have been dead before it healed you.

[Oscura]

no fight is designed with healer dps in mind yoshida said this 4 times. emphasizing it highly.

I remember when Yoshida said this about Gordian savage.

I remember when it was never true throughout the entire lifespan of that piece of content.

[TankHunter678]

I have not run into people complaining about me DPSing as healer.

What I have run into is MP starvation despite throwing as many Ewer's and Lucid Dreams on myself cause I keep running into squishy as hell tanks that force me to do straight pure healing. And then the fights take forever as the DPS does not AoE like it used to. So often times I am running on empty by the time we get to bosses and then they pull. More then once I have run out of MP mid boss fight and had to simply bubble myself next to the tank so he could benefit from the damage reduction and regen while I let my cooldowns and mana regen.

[Nezia]

Pretty out of the topic, but...

I feel like the healers quality has fallen so much with the expansion, at least on the pugs I participated, the more grotesque mistakes have been made by healers, maybe they've got too comfortable with the game current state overflowing with dps left and right and healers being quicly invited for any group that they don't even botter looking up for guides for EX fights before joining in?