What is this new anti dps healer attitude?

[VanilleFang]

I think there's a lot of... hmm... misunderstandings going on in this thread. Yes there are squished tanks, and no that doesn't have to do with ilvl alone. Yes there are healers who ignore healing, but these are not the norm or experienced healers.

I'm just going to get this out of the way now. Anyone who criticizes a healer got DPSing and no one dies is either uninformed, inexperienced, or just plain controlling. Healers have many opportunities to DPS. We could do it with CS so we can do it now.

Next point I want to make: if you know the fight and still refuse to DPS as a healer than you are just plain lazy. I can understand inexperienced players not wanting to DPS as a healer, but if you're ilvl 270+ and you're just farting around in Praetorium, casting Cure II/Medica/whatever ever 4 seconds, then you're just lazy and are a hindrance on your party. That being said, healers' priority is always [ Your HP > Tanks' HP > Other Healer's > DPS' HP >>>>>>> Enemies' HP ] so if your team wipes because you were casting Holy that's your fault. Unless they were being morons and stood in poo.

About tanks and squishiness. Damage from mobs in dungeons had been increased for one, and enemies can also Direct Hit so there can be some spikes in damage. Those aside we can't ignore returning players or people who usually play DPS who are switching to tank to bypass the long queues. There have been many tanks I've run into who use none or only a portion of their cooldown. Anecdote/example: when I ran Shisui for my first time and my tank was a DRK. He only ever used Blood Price, Rampart, and Sole Survivor. That's it. And he actually complained that I should wait for his BP to end before I use Holy (like what was discussed earlier in this thread). I complied but I watched him. We weren't doing big pulls so we had 3 mobs in a pull usually... BP was healing him for 95 MP per hit. That is just pathetic and really not worth me giving up my Holy for. I have DRK at 60 so I know how important BP was before 4.0... but it's just so weak now, and Syphon Strike gives like a billion MP now.

Basically what I'm trying to say is if you aren't dying and the healer is staying useful and keeping active there is no reason to ask them to stop dealing damage.

[Vallamaria]

What is it with this misconception being spread? I can still dps just fine if the tank has somewhat of a clue what they're doing........why would you DISLIKE me helping with dps and speeding up your run? I rarely let people die
because I still manage my healing just fine. All I ask is for you to do your part as well.

I have a pretty good idea why. It's most likely the same kind of narrow-minded inexperienced fools who will throw a fit if a Tank is stance dancing when appropriate. Because they seriously believe that a Tank should do absolutely nothing besides holding aggro. Even though that's only doing the bare absolute minimum required of a Tank. These are people who are seriously bad at playing the game and hold this strange belief that everyone else is somehow on their same level of extreme ineptitude. They're also the sort of players who think it's the Healer's job to keep them alive regardless of how many asinine blunders they make.

So just keep doing what you're doing if you're managing healing fine and also finding time to DPS a little when there's downtime for it. Take pride in the fact that at least you are a skilled player who knows how to play your Job well.

[Noata]

If a DRK casts blood price and you can't wait 4 seconds for him to get aggro and manage MP so you can easily holy spam, then your just making things more difficult for others.

Healers were made to be able to DPS easy, and they balanced around that. Mobs hit harder and tanks have less mitigation... you can't dps as much as you used to.
If any DPS or tank dies while your DPSing, the loss of damage because of that is greater then what you will pull. So DPS, but don't make things harder by forgetting people in general take more damage and tanks can't just absorb as much damage anymore. Should people complain to you about this? No, not really unless you are killing the group.

[Jim_Berry]

I've come across a lot more people who really dislike dps healers.

And its not other healers telling me this. It's tanks mainly. And dps.
I've already seen this a couple of times in Heavensward but now it seems even more common.

Now, I know that tanks have gotten a bit more squishy but they can still mitigate very nicely when played properly...so I still see a huge skill gap there.

But if you go for big pulls and then hardly use cooldowns or use them when they arent needed anymore, I will ask you to work on your cooldown management.

And thats when I suddenly get to hear a lot of stuff like "healers heal" and "your dps time is over since stormblood released"....... Umm what? They just removed cleric stance, why would my dps time be over?

What is it with this misconception being spread? I can still dps just fine if the tank has somewhat of a clue what they're doing........why would you DISLIKE me helping with dps and speeding up your run? I rarely let people die
because I still manage my healing just fine. All I ask is for you to do your part as well.

I dont know if this is a data center thing, but I'm on EU Chaos and I really have been seeing this attitude increase a lot.

As a DRK, I dislike the WHM Holy Spam.

Until we all get higher gear, the stuff in Stormblood can't always be facerolled. Some tanks still need to pull three mobs at a time. Personally, I don't have a HUGE issue with it, because my PLD focus on Tenacity > Determination. I see a big difference in my survival rate on a positive note. However, I now lack dps since I moved from Crit.

Until I get my Verity gear, I need to survive. My PLD at 42k HP plus 1k+ Tenacity was surviving longer than the other PLD who was close to 45k HP with around 600 Tenacity.

[Jim_Berry]

I have a pretty good idea why. It's most likely the same kind of narrow-minded inexperienced fools who will throw a fit if a Tank is stance dancing when appropriate. Because they seriously believe that a Tank should do absolutely nothing besides holding aggro. Even though that's only doing the bare absolute minimum required of a Tank. These are people who are seriously bad at playing the game and hold this strange belief that everyone else is somehow on their same level of extreme ineptitude. They're also the sort of players who think it's the Healer's job to keep them alive regardless of how many asinine blunders they make.

So just keep doing what you're doing if you're managing healing fine and also finding time to DPS a little when there's downtime for it. Take pride in the fact that at least you are a skilled player who knows how to play your Job well.

What you fail to realize, is that tanks lose aggro easily now. Not only that, we have less mitigation tools by default. PLD has these Oath gauges that seem to be focused on protecting others than self, such as "Intervention". Our gauge fills faster from our auto-attacks in Sword Oath. During that time, we're likely to take more incoming damage simply to fill the gauge to do what? Give someone else a shield although I'M the one taking damage.

So, it's not about being a bad player. I have no problem dropping Grit on DRK when I need MP and Blood Price is down. I have no problem dropping Shield Oath to get Sword Oath to protect my team.

Personally, I generally never cared HOW people played. I spam content, and I get it completed. If I'm on DPS, I just watch to make sure I don't overwrite another DPS's ability (Shadow Fang vs Yukikaze). As a healer, I'll only toss dots. As a tank, feel free to do what you want, because I'm just there to get Tomes and gil a fast queue rates.

[bloodSp3c]

haven't had any issues like this on tonberry! depends on the tanks really, for me anyway. i get a mixed bag of them, some pull half the bloody map and i just heal, while others go at a steady pace and i throw in a few aero4/stone4 combos

[NinefoldRakshasa]

Bottom line is: Don't dps if you notice the tank has a tendency to drop below 50% frequently (with or without mitigation).

[Faliandra]

As a DRK, I dislike the WHM Holy Spam.

Until we all get higher gear, the stuff in Stormblood can't always be facerolled.

I dont see how this answers my question that you marked in bold. It's not a faceroll,but no one dies + I contribute dps...because Id like to think that I know my healer stuff.
How would anyone dislike that?

You all bring up stuff like "healers who only dps suck!" "we die all the time cos the healer dpses too much", "this isnt faceroll content anymore"

What is this, pardon me, bullsh*t? I said more than once that its really the exception if I let someone die. If someone dies,its usually either the tank who pulled too much while not having all of his cooldowns ready, aka him underestimating the situation or people standing in the bad. At the time when I made this thread,I was lvling my AST btw, so no disturbing Holy Spam for any DRKs either.

How or why would you dislike a healer who actually manages to keep people alive AND contributes to the dps?


I feel like a LOT of people here are having trouble with their reading comprehension skills.

[NinefoldRakshasa]

I dont see how this answers my question that you marked in bold. It's not a faceroll,but no one dies + I contribute dps...because Id like to think that I know my healer stuff.

You all bring up stuff like "healers who only dps suck!" "we die all the time cos the healer dpses too much", "this isnt faceroll content anymore"

How or why would you dislike a healer who actually manages to keep people alive AND contributes to the dps?

I feel like a LOT of people here are having trouble with their reading comprehension skills.

To simplify, the Tank controls the pace of the dungeon, maybe the tank gets panicked easily from dropping too low too fast, who knows.
The fact remains that tanks are VIP status right now and all you can do is adjust accordingly.
Arguing with them is not worth anyone's time.

[Faliandra]

To simplify, the Tank controls the pace of the dungeon, maybe the tank gets panicked easily from dropping too low too fast, who knows.
The fact remains that tanks are VIP status right now and all you can do is adjust accordingly.
Arguing with them is not worth anyone's time.

Lolwut? My Insta healer queues tell me that im the vip.