What is this new anti dps healer attitude?

[Faliandra]

I've come across a lot more people who really dislike dps healers.

And its not other healers telling me this. It's tanks mainly. And dps.
I've already seen this a couple of times in Heavensward but now it seems even more common.

Now, I know that tanks have gotten a bit more squishy but they can still mitigate very nicely when played properly...so I still see a huge skill gap there.

But if you go for big pulls and then hardly use cooldowns or use them when they arent needed anymore, I will ask you to work on your cooldown management.

And thats when I suddenly get to hear a lot of stuff like "healers heal" and "your dps time is over since stormblood released"....... Umm what? They just removed cleric stance, why would my dps time be over?

What is it with this misconception being spread? I can still dps just fine if the tank has somewhat of a clue what they're doing........why would you DISLIKE me helping with dps and speeding up your run? I rarely let people die
because I still manage my healing just fine. All I ask is for you to do your part as well.

I dont know if this is a data center thing, but I'm on EU Chaos and I really have been seeing this attitude increase a lot.

[Arutan]

Because when you get healer dpsing in the final trial of SB while people die, you can't really expect them to be appreciated. And then they're out of mana because of dpsing so we wipe. Thanks healers for your great work.

[Faliandra]

So youre taking ONE trial as an example for every other easy content like Roulettes?


bad example is bad.

[Rymm]

I certainly wouldn't call it "new," whichever the side of the fight you are on. Some healers aren't comfortable dps'ing and some people aren't comfortable running with healers who won't dps and there's a lot of friction between the two sides. Honestly, I've seen both sides get pretty rabid about their positions and as I don't really have strong feelings either way, I tend to steer clear of most of the arguments. Still, it's been around at least since I started playing (ARR,) though it did seem to get more heated in late HW.

[Faliandra]

.... though it did seem to get more heated in late HW.

bad wording on my part then,but this is what I'm refering to.

[MistakeNot]

I certainly wouldn't call it "new," whichever the side of the fight you are on. Some healers aren't comfortable dps'ing and some people aren't comfortable running with healers who won't dps and there's a lot of friction between the two sides. Honestly, I've seen both sides get pretty rabid about their positions and as I don't really have strong feelings either way, I tend to steer clear of most of the arguments. Still, it's been around at least since I started playing (ARR,) though it did seem to get more heated in late HW.

I think you misunderstand. If I read the OP correctly this is about people complaining about healers who do help with dps. Not the old complaints about healers who don't dps.

[Serilda]

I'm on a JP server so parties tend to be comparatively non-confrontational but a tank friend once asked about cooldown use after being politely chastised by a healer, and he hadn't realised how much it winds healers up until I was able to explain everything to him. Usually I just sigh internally and deal with squishly people or lunatics who think they can stand in fire just because they're a tank (ahem) without saying anything.

I think people are used to blaming the healer instead of thinking too hard because they're so paranoid. If the healer was DPSing and someone dies, it's the healer's fault for not doing their job. If the healer wasn't DPSing and the fight hits enrage, it's the healer's fault for not DPSing. My friend universally assumes every mechanic in the game is about raw healing power until I correct him. Hit enrage? Renard wasn't healing enough! Renard dies to adds? Renard wasn't healing enough!

[Faliandra]

I think you misunderstand. If I read the OP correctly this is about people complaining about healers who do help with dps. Not the old complaints about healers who don't dps.

yes. I'm basically being harassed for helping with dps as a healer.

[Feidam]

Well since Stormblood started I've seen a sharp increase in wipes due to healers dpsing or tanks mass pulling. Healers can dps but it feels like they need to be more discriminate on when they dps. Currently, a fair number of healers are not doing this and burning their mop out or letting folks because they were dpsing instead of healing. Tanks are kind of in the same situation. The tanks small or medium pull seem to be doing the fine. The ones that big pull can't seem to hold the the threat on everything and or fold under the damage. Some people seem to think is SE's new design. Where the roles are required to preform their role first and foremost. Which it could very well be the new design. It could also be that the player base doesn't over gear the content anymore and people need to quit playing like they did at the end of HW until their ilvl catches up.

[Faliandra]

I think people are used to blaming the healer instead of thinking too hard because they're so paranoid. If the healer was DPSing and someone dies, it's the healer's fault for not doing their job. If the healer wasn't DPSing and the fight hits enrage, it's the healer's fault for not DPSing. My friend universally assumes every mechanic in the game is about raw healing power until I correct him. Hit enrage? Renard wasn't healing enough! Renard dies to adds? Renard wasn't healing enough!

except that no one died when I asked to use cooldowns. it was just very strenuous to keep up healing and still manage to dps because that tank actually DID do double pulls (which most tanks wont) and then
hardly used anything.