Tanks are fine (show your support so they don't change them)

[Ghastly]

I personally never cared for the whole "Massive DPS" as a Tank, I do miss some of my skills as I keep trying to use Scourge or other skills I used to have but no longer do. However, I still feel tanks are fine at the moment. Only new Dungeon I've done is Sirensong as a DRK and had no issues the few times I ran it and older dungeons no issues either.

This has been my experience as well. I opened my mind to actually going with the changes. I never if ever lose aggro (I've done all sb dungeons). Would be better if people start learning how to actually tank combined with accepting the changes. If your mind can't except the changes you'll never keep any aggro or perform your role.

It's good to see someone who can keep their aggro. Enjoy drk btw, that's the next tank I'm leveling (without losing aggro and allowing healers to dps).
I wouldn't be surprised if the japanese tanks already adapted and are fine with the changes.

[ErikMynhier]

I personally never cared for the whole "Massive DPS" as a Tank, I do miss some of my skills as I keep trying to use Scourge or other skills I used to have but no longer do. However, I still feel tanks are fine at the moment. Only new Dungeon I've done is Sirensong as a DRK and had no issues the few times I ran it and older dungeons no issues either.

That is the one thing I miss most from DRK. Seems silly but I do.

[Pori_Dessu]

This has been my experience as well. I opened my mind to actually going with the changes. I never if ever lose aggro (I've done all sb dungeons). Would be better if people start learning how to actually tank combined with accepting the changes. If your mind can't except the changes you'll never keep any aggro or perform your role.

It's good to see someone who can keep their aggro. Enjoy drk btw, that's the next tank I'm leveling (without losing aggro and allowing healers to dps).
I wouldn't be surprised if the japanese tanks already adapted and are fine with the changes.

Allowing healers to DPS ain't the solution to party DPS either, as there's a big part of the healer players that also don't want to DPS... And considering healers don't need to do damage to heal (Their main role), while tanks need to do damage to tank (Also their main role), I honestly can't see the logic to that... But whatever man, each with it's own I guess...

[YitharV2]

Or we remove tank stances like they did with healers but that won't happen in stormblood so ask for removing tanks stances for 5.0.

That's not a bad idea to be quite honest. AFAIK in WoW they removed tank stances.

Also, I never told a healer that they needed to DPS. I just sat quietly in frustration doing my job.

[Elim]

My tank friends said they like that aggro is a bit tougher. They do like to DPS too, though, so that's a separate issue for them. I assume tougher aggro just makes the role a little more engaging, but I haven't leveled my tank to 70 yet.

[KisaiTenshi]

Who's suggesting removing Tank Stances lol?

All we tanks want is our damage back. Bring back VIT scaling damage. we're sick of losing aggro to dps and it will only get worse as better gear is introduced.

I think the suggestion is removing the ability to turn off Tank Stance. Eg like with the healers, the DPS skills all scale linearly based on level and current gear ilevel, nothing else. All those secondary stats are meaningless.

[BlastHardcheese]

Not true, every time you change stance in dungeons you're losing your gauge and you're forcing healer to stay on top of your hp (they lose the dps you're gaining). So not only are you taking the dps off of the healer you're risking a wipe if the healer isn't your fc friend who knows better not to keep you alive.

What kind of blind healers have you been running with? If I see the little Shield Oath icon disappear I figure he's about to take more damage, it isn't rocket science.

Plus if one of us has to dps and the other doesn't (again, not a thing) I'd rather it be the tank, at least the extra damage is being converted to even a tiny bit more threat.

[Etrius]

Remove Tank Stance, put VIT back in scaling, make Tenacity and Determination work as it should and it'll be fine.

[Awful]

My only gripes are:

-Vit doesn't scale at all with our attack power anymore, just str
-Tenacity isn't very useful (1000 Tenacity for 1% dmg reduction), heals on you don't increase
-Some classes feel very unfinished until 70 (Drk/War)
-Some abilities should be OGCD (Quietus, Bloodspiller)
-Pld has too much utility Drks was gutted and War not having any damage to compensate for these losses

Those are all the things that are feeling awkward/not a good direction for tanking, with all that being said I still enjoy tanking as a Drk haven't tried War or Pld yet but I've seen their gripes with the class and hope SE sees the meat of the problems.

[Vallamaria]

Not true, every time you change stance in dungeons you're losing your gauge

The only Tanks that lose Gauge when stance swapping are Warrior and Paladin. Dark Knight on the other hand can freely switch between the two without any Gauge penalty. Also, one could simply wait to change stances until after they've already used up the gauge or only have an insignificant amount filled. Thus making stance dancing as a Warrior or Paladin perfectly fine to do. Therefore your point is rather irrelevant.

and you're forcing healer to stay on top of your hp (they lose the dps you're gaining).

Why do you care about Healer DPS when you claimed that players should only be sticking to the roles SE wants them to do? Since I'm quite certain DPS isn't Healing. So going by the logic of your views regarding Tanks and roles a Healer role should only be Healing.

So not only are you taking the dps off of the healer you're risking a wipe if the healer isn't your fc friend who knows better not to keep you alive.

Here you go yet again assuming that just because a Tank decides to drop Tank Stance when appropriate that they are guaranteed to lose aggro or die. A good Tank knows when the appropriate time to drop Tank Stance and switch to dealing damage is. Just because some people are bad/inexperienced players and can't handle it doesn't mean everyone can't handle it.

Would be better if people start learning how to actually tank combined with accepting the changes. If your mind can't except the changes you'll never keep any aggro or perform your role.

I find it quite amusing to see someone like you of all people saying how it would be nice if others could "start learning how to actually Tank". I mean you've quite clearly demonstrated your utter lack of Tanking knowledge and inexperience from your posts thus far. So if anyone needs to learn how to Tank better it's you.

After all you seem to think playing a Tank job is literally nothing more than simply holding aggro. When in reality that is simply just doing the bare absolute minimum required of you. Also, you seem to firmly believe that just because you can't manage to hold aggro at all times with stance dancing that nobody else can do it. When in reality there's actually many skilled Tanks that can handle it just fine.

I wouldn't be surprised if the japanese tanks already adapted and are fine with the changes.

Hate to break it to you but even the Japanese are upset over it. One need only look at their forum to see that much. But I suppose that would actually take effort and some folks are simply too lazy to do such a thing.