What is this new anti dps healer attitude?

[Ferrasper]

The roles have always performed their role first and foremost. Healers and tanks should both be able to do decent dps or theres no way to convince people to play them, who wants to play a class which is painful to solo with? DPS should never be doing more than 3 times the dps of the tank or healer, it leads to awful imbalance.

What? It's the DPS job to kill things quick, so 3 times as much DPS is basically required. This game is not GW2 where any class can do any job.

[D1rtySpartan]

From my experience in MMOs we will use Everquest 2 as the example, a Healers responsibility is to keep the group alive mostly focusing on the tank and only DPS if you could or not at all. Granted that requires the Tank to keep aggro off the DPS squad and the healer. it was never a requirement for a healer to DPS.

[Alynn]

Let me just correct you on this. My SO tanks. He is a GREAT tank. I don't just say that because he is my SO. When he isn't so great or slacking, I tell him so. I'VE noticed how hard he is getting hit. I asked him if he was slacking. He wasn't. They ARE using their CD's. They ARE mitigating. They ARE getting hit like trucks.

YOU may want to get used to the stance SE is taking; Healers are HEALERS, not DPS. Healers DPS'ing during runs is basically over. Throwing something out, tank's almost dead. That's YOUR fault. People die while you are DPS'ing, your fault.

SE is hardlining the roles.

Lol'd. Let me tell you something. My SO tanks as well, is a great tank as well, and I'M the one who is healing him. It was a struggle at first, but with better gear he's doing fine. Even then however, tanks using CD's are one thing. Mitigating properly and knowing when to mitigate is another. I can DPS as much as I want like in HW and we don't wipe. Can I ask you where exactly your bf is being hit hard?

Stop generalizing. The only time people die while I DPS is if they don't do mechanics in Susan EX/Lakshmi EX. If your DPS's are half as competent as their healer like Faliandra who can heal/dps, they won't die to retarded things + you know when your DPS windows are if you're a healer that likes and knows how and when to dps. Hell I can solo heal it and still DPS given my pt is competent at jumping across the split. And for all the people who can't seem to understand why we let tanks drop to 20% while we healers dps:







We have instant heals. We have them at our disposal and we will use them. If we can be efficient and DPS while healing, why the hell not?

Also if you're talking about DPS's dying while the healer is healing through boss AOEs I'd be much more concerned about the DPS than the actual healer. Healers heal. Not pull miracles right out of their arses.

[HyperSMB]

I will DPS every single second I do not need to heal. If that bothers you, oh well.

My job description says "Let noone die"...not "Sit around bored as hell keeping everyone at 100%".

[Felis]

Healers and tanks should both be able to do decent dps or theres no way to convince people to play them, who wants to play a class which is painful to solo with?

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There are many ways to solo (not in a premade group) as a healer.

The only situation, where a healer would need good damge, are in instanced solo fights with no NPC who help.

[cporter]

I'm not sure what to say about these arguments. I feel like tanks should tank, healers should heal. If either the tank or the healer can do DPS while keeping the party alive, that's fine. However telling people they have do DPS as healer or tank is not.

[Lambdafish]

I'm not sure what to say about these arguments. I feel like tanks should tank, healers should heal. If either the tank or the healer can do DPS while keeping the party alive, that's fine. However telling people they have do DPS as healer or tank is not.

Except its not as simple as that. People aren't saying the words "you have to DPS as a healer" they are saying "stop idling and do some damage instead of that"

[Ferrasper]

Except its not as simple as that. People aren't saying the words "you have to DPS as a healer" they are saying "stop idling and do some damage instead of that"

You just rephrased the words you have to dps as a healer though.... You just said it differently. If a healer doesn't want to DPS, that is their right. When you use the DF, there is a high chance you will run into a play style you won't like. If you decide to kick that person, and I am there. The kick won't go through because I only kick people for afk or offline.

[DJaySaint]

I dont know if this is a data center thing, but I'm on EU Chaos and I really have been seeing this attitude increase a lot.

I've had the exact opposite. I get Scholars who stand there and just Physick who have never heard of Lustrate, Sacred Soil, or Indomitability. I get White Mages who will only Cure spam and don't even use Regen, Asylum, etc. I get Astrologians who will just use Benefic, no cards, no Helios or Aspected Benefic, Earthly Star, etc. Leveling up a tank has been painful because 90% of the healers I run in to will literally sit on their ass and do nothing. They are "pure healers" who don't even heal or use their cooldowns. And yet as a tank I'm expected to keep up my cooldowns while they do nothing? The amount of Clemency spam I have needed to do in order to keep myself alive is beyond ridiculous.

To top it off, I've asked said healers to DPS and contribute. Know what the most common response I get? "you don't pay my sub" or "I'm here to heal not DPS". Ok. So if I use no cooldowns on Paladin and literally just spam Flash, does that give me an excuse to do nothing because I'm there to tank and not DPS? I wish I had more healers who will DPS, but sadly most of the ones I've run in to are total trash.

As someone who plays healer myself, I spam the crap out of DPS every opportunity I get. If someone is not using Holy on White Mage then they are garbage. We have cooldowns when crap goes south to keep people from dying and obviously heal when needed. Plus we have Swiftcast for a reason. There is NO reason not to at least get 1 Holy off at the start of the fight. That's several seconds where the tank takes NO damage. That's much better mitigation and healing via proxy than any other spell or cooldown you and the tank have combined. Not to mention Assize is full potency healing and damage now and yet I see White Mages who just will not use it. The problem is most are too lazy to do it. Yet they will readily complain if a tank is not using cooldowns and taking too much damage, or DPS is slow. I've never seen any job be more lazy than healers. And they get the most vote kicks from me.

As someone who plays everything, I'd much rather see a healer DPS than one who doesn't. Even in the final trial of Stormblood. I went with a healer friend to that who did DPS the entire time because as Red Mage I gave them Mana Shift on every cooldown and they used Lucid Dreaming as well. Zero MP issues. So even then, in my opinion it is not acceptable to stand around and not DPS. If people would actually take party utility role abilities and ACTUALLY CLICK THE DAMN BUTTON we would have less of "I'm out of X" or "I can't do X". Bards and Machinists take Refresh. All casters take Mana Shift. Unless people are being totally retarded there is no reason for a healer to ever be out of MP and not be able to DPS.

But keep DPSing as a healer and screw what everyone else says. If you were on my server I would adopt you. We need more healers who do stuff to replace the lazy ones we have now.

[Naberrie]

I've noticed that since SB launched that, when I play healer in a roulette, the tanks I'm getting are very squishy, and if they do big pulls it's all I can do to keep them upright. Maybe it was losing access to some cross class skills they relied upon, changes to skills they'd relied upon, or maybe the changes to stats, but I keep getting tanks that are MP sponges. I'm not used to having to use Lucid Dreaming regularly on trash pulls.

So, while I haven't the experience of people yelling at me not to DPS and to concentrate on healing, I've had my own voice in my head telling me that. I usually only find time to DPS late in a trash pull, once the number of mobs is reduced, or at the beginning of a boss fight.