The Royal Menagerie

[Namixx]

Fight of this level of difficulty has no business being in main story.

I was hc raiding in one other game and I know full well how (in)capable is usual casual player.

Difficult raids are supposed to be part of extreme, optional raids.

Casual players who just want to finish msq are now being blocked by a trial and countless hours of frustration for which you get nothing at all except 10 stones.

[Sylvina]

Fight of this level of difficulty has no business being in main story.

I was hc raiding in one other game and I know full well how (in)capable is usual casual player.

Difficult raids are supposed to be part of extreme, optional raids.

Casual players who just want to finish msq are now being blocked by a trial and countless hours of frustration for which you get nothing at all except 10 stones.

It's really not that bad, it's just new and people dont know how to beat it yet. Give it a month or 2 and it will be fairly easy, especially due to people starting to outgear it.

[EdwinLi]

You deal most of the damage by killing the tail. Ilvl isn't a factor on this encounter.

Ilvl does have a factor in this fight as the tail is not always up thus players will have to focus on Shinryu himself during the down time of tails and there is a DPS "time limit" in this fight.

During moments when Tails are not up the party will have to focus on Shinryu himself to cause damage and sometimes Shinryu will destroy two platforms with his tail which will prevent players from having a chance to kill the tail.

If too many platforms are destroyed before Shinryu is killed then the fight will instantly reset. Missing a tail or two can cause this if the party's DPS is a bit lacking due to too many death penalty or just dead.

[Raim]

Why are people acting like this is some savage raid content? As long as you have half conscious healers then the fight is seriously just avoiding ground AoE, chains, and not moving during the Shiva move.

[Lambdafish]

Fight of this level of difficulty has no business being in main story.

Final steps of faith hit hard and was about this challenging back in 3.3. That was also part of the main story. People complained but after being beaten down so much by 3.0/3.1/3.2 nerfs, the community had waves of backlash against the call for nerfs and it stayed as is.

[Moomba33]

I guess I was really lucky with this fight.
I went into it blind with 3 FC members (well, one member had looked up stuff but didn't tell us how to do everything) and we had a 5th new person as well. Cleared it after only 1 wipe with none of the 3 experienced people dropping.

It helped a lot that one of the experienced players was a healer and we had a red mage to help with raising. The fight is more punishing than a lot of story trials but I don't think it needs to be nerfed. Once you've seen the mechanics they aren't too hard to avoid.

[Lambdafish]

Never forget this moment about weeping city, We can make it happen again: https://youtu.be/BJwPCxau7CA?t=869

[Namixx]

Why are people acting like this is some savage raid content? As long as you have half conscious healers then the fight is seriously just avoiding ground AoE, chains, and not moving during the Shiva move.

Tbh, your personal opinion about difficulty of this fight is not relevant. I also do not think it is overly complicated, I did it with first half-decent group I got, but even half decent players are hard to come by these days.
What does matter is data from the game, and unfortunately, success level of this trial is abysmal at the moment which says to us that difficulty is indeed too high.

A lot of casuals are stuck behind this quest and I see that as a problem. No one would complain if hard/extreme mode was hard, but this is story quest.

[RyuDragnier]

Fight of this level of difficulty has no business being in main story.

I was hc raiding in one other game and I know full well how (in)capable is usual casual player.

Difficult raids are supposed to be part of extreme, optional raids.

Casual players who just want to finish msq are now being blocked by a trial and countless hours of frustration for which you get nothing at all except 10 stones.

Final Steps of Faith would like a word with you on that...and really, how do people have a hard time with this fight? Assuming you've never stepped foot inside of a raid before, Shiva HM taught you not to move during the ice floor, The Vault taught you how to get rid of chains, Susano taught you to stack up for the stack mechanics, and Doma Castle taught you how to avoid the big room wide AoE. If you can't put all that together, nor know how to use your class after at least 20 levels playing it, no offense, but you've truly learned nothing.

[Taika]

Fight of this level of difficulty has no business being in main story.

Why should all main story content be the level of difficulty that a party of braindead monkeys could complete it blindfolded?

The fight can, as it is right now, well be defeated in a random party completely blind to the fight as it is now - just perhaps not on the first try or even in the first allowed time. It's challenging, but beatable without preparation, knowledge of the fight, gearing or even particular skill in playing your job.