The Ifrit Fight is Dangerous to the Community.

[Dokuton-Razortaru]

1. The design of the battle fails to take into account player lag - both technical and human.
2. Ifrit is far too powerful for the regular Classes. Jobs might make it easier, but seriously man...take this crap into account for a change.
3. The battles require a lot of "high spec", both technical, gear-wise, and class-wise. This is incredibly exclusionary, and does not really lend a lot of positive atmosphere to the fight.
4. The fact that some party configurations, like 6x Lancers, 2x Con/Thm, have a higher chance of success than other configurations, is simply repeating the Dzemael Mistake. (Whoring of the Archer class, anyone?)
5. I respect Yoshi-P for wanting to bring back the challenging factors of the olden-days of MMOs, but this is the wrong way to do it with the new generation of MMOs. I don't like it when I waste an hour of my time dying to Ifrit every time because of lag, animation lock, etc.

1. Player lag is an excuse for being bad at this encounter. Most players have no idea how to counter Ifrit... its really simple you wait for him to do an ability then you have 5 seconds to press a button down, if you don't then wait for his next ability.

2. Cool so i guess you didn't hear about 1.20 and class revamps coming with it.

3. You don't need materia to beat Ifrit, only high lv crafted gear which doesn't take long to get...

4. There will always be cookie cutter class. But yeah you are right its not fair the advantages that some classes have over others. ( mainly the Sear Ifrit has is much harder to dodge as Pug. But again... 1.20.... everything "can" change.

5. For this one i could barely even get past this without wanting to be upset with you.. but this is a forum and everyone is entitled to their opinion on how the game should be. Anyways the reason you die is because you don't understand the fight and don't deserve the win, you have the same 150-400 ms lag that everyone else has ... so easy to dodge Ifrit skills once you learn how he works. You are still just bad at the fight and would rather be sadpanda on the forums about it then actually ask someone for help.


If you want help with the fight my characters name is Dokuton Taijutsu: of Wutai come to my server or private message me and i will coach you through the fight.

[Rogue]

never played wow but i played alot of xi about 2 years ago for about 5 years before that

im sure your aware xi was renowned for its difficulty (back then anyway) what with CoP missions and ultima, omega weapons, 2 hour kirrin fights, sea gods etc,etc - all could be considered difficult but i never went in feeling is was doomed before i started, and there was allways some leeway for atleast one player who was shall we say "avarage"

i cant remember anybody complaining like they have been with darkhold and ifrit though

it should be difficult but not outright frustrating, maybe they should draw the fights out more and not have one move that insta wipes a party.

whatever! just make the dam game fun!!!!

[RemVye]

I don't agree, you're in the AoE when it explodes = dmg, you're not in the AoE when it explodes = no dmg.

She's really far away when it explodes.

It looks as if it records your position when it pops under your feet instead of when it explodes

About networking issue, tracert results from : Japan 16ms, USA ~200ms, Europe 350ms.
For a FPS it's bad but for a MMORPG it should be more than enough.

She's really far away when the damage animation and numbers appears on her character. Doesn't mean the eruption didn't go off before this.

This is what I was trying to say before, he uses a skill and there is a delay in the time from him using it, until you actually see the physical manifestation of the eruption / plumes. There is a timer for how long before they are going to explode, which is probably in the ball park of 3 seconds. You have to be ready to move instantly when it appears or you will get hit. Again, another animation delay from when the server knows the spell went off, to when you actually see it explode on your screen.

I've been outside several explosions and known that I was going to bite one because of the extra .5-1second it took me to get out. Watch that video again, it starts with the eruption already on the ground. By the 2 second part she is just on the outside edge of the animation. So... from the time the eruption was put down till the time she was out of it was probably 2.5-3 seconds.

I can't tell if it's fraps having low FPS or if this is the person in-game (if it's their actual ingame being this choppy, then that video doesn't surprise me at all).


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I'm not trying to discredit anyone's experience in-game. I've witnessed some of this myself but some people make it sound like the fight is just impossible. I found that I only experience this maybe 1/10 times.

[RemVye]

never played wow but i played alot of xi about 2 years ago for about 5 years before that

im sure your aware xi was renowned for its difficulty (back then anyway) what with CoP missions and ultima, omega weapons, 2 hour kirrin fights, sea gods etc,etc - all could be considered difficult but i never went in feeling is was doomed before i started, and there was allways some leeway for atleast one player who was shall we say "avarage"

i cant remember anybody complaining like they have been with darkhold and ifrit though

it should be difficult but not outright frustrating, maybe they should draw the fights out more and not have one move that insta wipes a party.

whatever! just make the dam game fun!!!!

You feel doomed before going into Ifrit? Everyone has the same lag problems... dozens and dozens of LS have him on farm mode and have for several days / week. You just don't know the fight.

It's extremely fun.

[Physic]

never played wow but i played alot of xi about 2 years ago for about 5 years before that

im sure your aware xi was renowned for its difficulty (back then anyway) what with CoP missions and ultima, omega weapons, 2 hour kirrin fights, sea gods etc,etc - all could be considered difficult but i never went in feeling is was doomed before i started, and there was allways some leeway for atleast one player who was shall we say "avarage"

i cant remember anybody complaining like they have been with darkhold and ifrit though

it should be difficult but not outright frustrating, maybe they should draw the fights out more and not have one move that insta wipes a party.

whatever! just make the dam game fun!!!!

honestly the only reason you didnt see the complaining was because there werent forums. To be perfectly honest nothing in this game is really harder than it was in FFXI yet. it has a little more skill involved more often, but by and large it was still pretty difficult at times.
I think the key is, in FFXI for the hard encounters, one or two people did the hard stuff, and the rest of the people were just mindless automatons.

For example, learning and pulling effectively was difficult in dynamis, but that was only the pullers issue.

Tanking some harder mobs might have involved running out of range, or turning away at key moments, but that was just the tanks job.

Watching the log to remove key ailments before the tank died to paralysis, or stunning a powerful attack required skill, and a similar time of response, but that was only the mages job.

And yeah im sure you can carry 1 or 2 weak people if you really wanted to, its a 30 min fight, people have beat in 6 minutes. Do you see the amount of people who have beat this up to 100 times already? do you see the people afking in ul dah with the gear?

Im sorry but this fight isnt that crazy, it is in fact probably easier than the drops power levels.

Its not insanely hard, its just that people are whining. Essentially he doesnt like hard content.

[Orias]

Is it really that bad that Ifrit is challenging? There is a learning curve to the fight, but it is what makes it fun!

I promise, if you stick with it you'll get the hang of it and be beating him more than you are losing. It wouldn't be fun if content was so easy that everyone has beat him by now. Since it came out, I've tried Ifrit about 20 times and beaten him 3 times. With every fight it gets easier and I feel I'm at the point now where I can start winning more than I am losing. I'm having fun every time I go in, win or lose!

You don't even need Sentinel either! Our LS has done quite a few runs where a few members didn't have sentinel and we did just fine (make sure you kill atleast two of the Nails).

[Rogue]

OK, it seems like your aguing with me and not the majority..

do you think its reasonable to say that the majority of people are being frustrated by this fight?

i was watching ls after ls spawn dead at the cave so im pretty sure the above is a fair assumption and also the fact the op has the most thumbs on his first post.

my point is what i personally think is besides the point... the is no point in arguing with "ME"

gotta go with the majority-

its like if i was 1 person in 50 that couldnt kill ifrit believe me i wouldnt bother posting.

[BreeWhisperwind]

So I feel like the OP is saying our only "end game" content is hard. Isn't "end game" suppose to be hard and challenging? If it wasn't ... wouldn't all the level 50s be bored already?

I personally have not tried the 45 version of the fight yet, but my ls doesn't act like it is too hard. A lot the members are farming it for the drops. (What is sounds like anyway.)


I am expecting the highest rank stuff to be the hardest, as that is how is should be.

[Etienn]

I honestly see no reason to complain about this fight, it's not hard to learn.

[RemVye]

OK, it seems like your aguing with me and not the majority..

do you think its reasonable to say that the majority of people are being frustrated by this fight?

i was watching ls after ls spawn dead at the cave so im pretty sure the above is a fair assumption and also the fact the op has the most thumbs on his first post.

my point is what i personally think is besides the point... the is no point in arguing with "ME"

gotta go with the majority-

its like if i was 1 person in 50 that couldnt kill ifrit believe me i wouldnt bother posting.

Umm what? People spawning dead in the cave (i.e. a wipe) means they are frustrated?

Do you expect to down Ifrit on your first attempt? (No? - How many attempts?) (Yes? trolol you must be pulling my leg)

The OP has the most thumbs up on his post... because it's his topic and the majority of people don't read further than the first page.

...I don't understand some people and their logic...