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  1. #31
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    Nezia's Avatar
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    Fester Blight
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    Behemoth
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    Rogue Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Nightroad View Post
    You dps got what you deserve.
    After telling Healers you MUST dps , not when you want or feel comfortable , they a ll took that to heart and dps as dd.
    Enjoy your queue times.
    I leveled a red mage, and I heal when there is nothing to hit or if the team is really in need(one tank/healer died), I also use my ress when someone dies in order to save the healers mana, even if at times this leaves me with no mana for myself. And guess what? Doing something that you did not queue in to do in order to help the team won't make your nails fall off your fingers or you eyes boil into your eyesockets, it's actually pretty fun believe it or not.
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  2. #32
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    JunseiKei's Avatar
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    Xoria Tepes
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    Cactuar
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Rawrz View Post
    All of the SCHs got fed up because their option to play effectively was taken away and they were shackled.
    I really need to try scholar soon and see what all the doomsaying is about. People complained about WHM, but here I am rolling in MP, laughing maniacally as I DPS to my heart's content while using cure and cure II and breathing in all the assize cooldown procs and lilies.

    Is doomsaying just in fashion like puns are this year?
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    9.23.2019 [11:15 p.m.]Total Play Time: 1552 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes - You'll be hard-pressed to find a more cynical person than me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Odstarva View Post
    You people are never happy.
    [...] You complain and complain and complain.

  3. #33
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    Sir Rawrz
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    Gilgamesh
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by JunseiKei View Post
    I really need to try scholar soon and see what all the doomsaying is about. People complained about WHM, but here I am rolling in MP, laughing maniacally as I DPS to my heart's content while using cure and cure II and breathing in all the assize cooldown procs and lilies.

    Is doomsaying just in fashion like puns are this year?
    Whms have been living in ASTs shadow since 3.4. They were anticipating a buff. When they felt that it wasn't at "astronomical" as they expected, they cried and got buffed before release and continued to cry because of the stigma that was created. Weak WHM. Poor WHM having to buy back skills they already had!

    SCH expected to be nerfed in an area and rebuilt somewhere else. They did not expect to have so many skills removed with no solution to bring back what they had.

    It's not doomsaying if they destroyed your class. WHM just didn't like their presents. SCH was robbed.

    WHM is in great shape. Plenary indulgence, as awful as it is, is still more practical than dissipation, which never got changed to create some sort of synergy despite adding in a fairy gauge.
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    Last edited by Rawrz; 06-23-2017 at 10:10 AM.

  4. #34
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    Lildragora's Avatar
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    Lillian Mandragora
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    Leviathan
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    White Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Rawrz View Post
    Whms have been living in ASTs shadow since 3.4. They were anticipating a buff. When they felt that it wasn't at "astronomical" as they expected, they cried and got buffed before release and continued to cry because of the stigma that was created. Weak WHM. Poor WHM having to buy back skills they already had!

    SCH expected to be nerfed in an area and rebuilt somewhere else. They did not expect to have so many skills removed with no solution to bring back what they had.

    It's not doomsaying if they destroyed your class. WHM just didn't like their presents. SCH was robbed.

    WHM is in great shape. Plenary indulgence, as awful as it is, is still more practical than dissipation, which never got changed to create some sort of synergy despite adding in a fairy gauge.
    I couldn't agree more. I definitely know that if the game play does not feel better by 4.1 well... only time will tell but its not looking good for me.
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  5. #35
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    EdwinLi's Avatar
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    Edwin Li
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    Balmung
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Ya alot of people now are focusing on leveling their other Jobs to 70 to prepare for the raid content.

    It is training month now for the expansion and majority of players are focusing on trying to get 3 or more Jobs to level 70 before they start hitting the endgame stuff.
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  6. #36
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    Chiramu's Avatar
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    Cirra Maru
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    Famfrit
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    Conjurer Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall View Post
    Pretty much this.

    Healers are suddenly boring and feel less powerful and engaging than they did in Heavensward. 10 levels more feel like 10 levels less.
    I disagree, I main heals and I personally enjoy them. I feel better about playing SCH after playing it a bit too. Just took me a while to get used to how I need to manage my mana. I am still WHM main and will be forever.

    I don't understand why healer mains switched. If you like something you will learn to play it regardless, when everyone was getting ASTs cause they were so strong I still main-ed WHM because it is what I liked.
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  7. #37
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    Elim's Avatar
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    Elim Lovecraft
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    Faerie
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    As a healer it's great for me. I'm the new tank. I get to be a jerk and-- oh wait I already do that. I get great q times!
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  8. #38
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    Remilia_Nightfall's Avatar
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    Reimu Hakurei
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    Phoenix
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Chiramu View Post
    I disagree, I main heals and I personally enjoy them. I feel better about playing SCH after playing it a bit too. Just took me a while to get used to how I need to manage my mana. I am still WHM main and will be forever.

    I don't understand why healer mains switched. If you like something you will learn to play it regardless, when everyone was getting ASTs cause they were so strong I still main-ed WHM because it is what I liked.
    You are one. You are undoubtedly allowed to enjoy the current playstyle, but many healers are not. As others have mentioned in this thread, Scholars have been nerfed in all their key areas - DPS, Fairy, and mitigation.

    Will some people adapt and play it regardless? For sure.
    Will some people switch to something else? Certainly.

    This does not change the fact that SCH at 70 "feels" weaker, more boring, and less engaging than at 60. Comments and suggestions about stupid skills like Dissipation were completely ignored.

    You know, most people choose and like a class because they like their playstyle. SCH was about DPS and mitigation. They removed that. Why would someone stick with SCH? We can change jobs - and many will. But is that actually ok? Is it ok to make a job so boring and insipid that even long-time loyal players are considering to switch?
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    Last edited by Remilia_Nightfall; 06-23-2017 at 11:00 AM.

  9. #39
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    Cassandra Solidor
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    Cactuar
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Chiramu View Post
    I disagree, I main heals and I personally enjoy them. I feel better about playing SCH after playing it a bit too. Just took me a while to get used to how I need to manage my mana. I am still WHM main and will be forever.

    I don't understand why healer mains switched. If you like something you will learn to play it regardless, when everyone was getting ASTs cause they were so strong I still main-ed WHM because it is what I liked.
    Do they still like it though? Many people have given up Dark Knight for Paladin because they no longer like how it plays. It isn't about adjusting, but simply disliking the playstyle. In the case of Scholar, it used to be the go to healer for players who enjoyed a more hybrid approach to healing. Having since lost that identity to some degree, those very same people are now going to look for another job to fulfill their preferred playstyle. Red Mage seems extremely popular in that regard.

    By simplifying the jobs, we're going to see more and more people switch to DPS, I feel.
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  10. #40
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    Chiramu's Avatar
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    Cirra Maru
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    Famfrit
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    Conjurer Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
    By simplifying the jobs, we're going to see more and more people switch to DPS, I feel.
    Simplifying jobs means that the jobs are more skill based then activating certain ability at right time of boss attack etc. Lots of abilities does not denote more skill is needed to play it, it just makes it overly complicated and clunky.
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