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  1. #141
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    VallariaEllethwen's Avatar
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    Vallaria Ellethwen
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    Midgardsormr
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    Scholar Lv 70

    Nothing validates the changes made to Scholar.

    -Remove Chain Strategem and Provide Scholar with another healing or mitigation skill. If you revert the core DoT changes to the kit, I'd even be fine seeing this skill being removed entirely or nerfed to like 5% too.
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  2. #142
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    KDSilver's Avatar
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    Shiru Elysia
    World
    Moogle
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 100
    No don't remove it.

    I like the fact that I'm increasing critical rate.
    I like buffing my party... AS A SCHOLAR (just to prevent people to tell me to play astrologian if i want to buff the pt)
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  3. #143
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    Reika Hanehara
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    Ragnarok
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    Archer Lv 70
    There's already places like Kotaku and gamespot (amongst many other forums, who probably dont follow the game much) with threads saying its one of the worst revisions to a character in a long standing game of this style in decades. Yikes. I hold my hands up and say I've never played the class at all and my opinion is worth nothing. But I do know that the friends I joined the game with who made it their main have quit over the changes to it. Which is more than the drama monk department or whm brigade (most who seem to be still playing theirs) Must be pretty crappy. Sorry scholars :S
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  4. #144
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    Garu Dyne
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Said it in the other thread as well but something has to be done about the Adloquium and Succor potencies. It doesn't add up to have the hybrid healer heal AND shield for more than the shielding healer who can't swap stances. Either that or do something about the percentages of Astrologian's Aspected spells.

    I do not understand why Astrologian needed to have the buffs it did as far as shielding went. If you're going to change that, you need to also change how Succor and Adloquium heal. I get that you wanted people to play Astrologian but despite adjusting nearly every aspect of Astrologian, Scholar has had almost nothing changed with regard to its healing kit from 2.0. (Adlo and Succor, Lustrate had the change to 600 potency) PLEASE think about adjusting things.
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    Last edited by zeopower6; 06-22-2017 at 07:42 PM.

  5. #145
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    Shiru Elysia
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    Moogle
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    My concern for adloquium is the mp cost.
    There was no reason to increase it. It's like "yo let's just increase the mp cost because lol it's fun".

    please god no stop this nonsense.

    However i'd like to make everyone remember one thing.
    Now, as scholar, we have 3 boost heals.
    Largesse, dissipation and fey illumination.

    So increasing the potency would just be overbuffed.
    Cause yeah, largesse really is a good choice for scholar. I took it recently to see if it worth to be used and I must admit it's nice to have it.
    Our healing is better than before.
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    Last edited by KDSilver; 06-22-2017 at 08:10 PM.

  6. #146
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    Garu Dyne
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    Leviathan
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    Scholar Lv 100
    I think their thought process had something to do with having Lucid Dreaming. With the MP lowered from Aetherflow, you pretty much HAVE to take it with you. I am basically always casting as a Scholar and there's are some crazy mana issues if packs don't die fast enough and you don't have Lucid.

    Even so, I think they need to change the MP cost back to normal and also adjust potencies.
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  7. #147
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    Shiru Elysia
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    You can't rely on AF only now indeed.
    But if you don't spend some AF stack for energy drain, your mana is dropping so fast...

    That's another reason I now use dissipation a lot more when my fairy gauge is empty.
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  8. #148
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    Garu Dyne
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by KDSilver View Post
    However i'd like to make everyone remember one thing.
    Now, as scholar, we have 3 boost heals.
    Largesse, dissipation and fey illumination.

    So increasing the potency would just be overbuffed.
    Cause yeah, largesse really is a good choice for scholar. I took it recently to see if it worth to be used and I must admit it's nice to have it.
    Our healing is better than before.
    Thing is though Astrologian has the buffed heals and shielding (150% shielding on Aspected Helios with similar potency to Succor but buffed with Sect, 250% shielding on Aspected Benefic with near levels of Critical Adlo shielding from normal cast) while ALSO having access to Largesse in addition to their permanent 15% sect buff. There is no reason IMO Scholar can't be buffed as well. Is it so much to ask really to have the potency increased so that it isn't basically "Astrologian shields...... but worse"?

    I think Aetherflow being lowered to 15% would have been a bit less painful feeling. You reaaalllly feel it with 10%.
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    Last edited by zeopower6; 06-22-2017 at 08:19 PM.

  9. #149
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    Divine Gate
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    Exodus
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    Marauder Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by zeopower6 View Post
    I think their thought process had something to do with having Lucid Dreaming. With the MP lowered from Aetherflow, you pretty much HAVE to take it with you. I am basically always casting as a Scholar and there's are some crazy mana issues if packs don't die fast enough and you don't have Lucid.

    Even so, I think they need to change the MP cost back to normal and also adjust potencies.
    With how much Piety the healer gear has its not so bad. I'm used to running 11k MP as SCH with 20% AF so now with 18k MP @ 10% AF there is really no difference. With Lucidity it's like infinite MP, but I tend to just keep it in case I die it's a backup to AF
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  10. #150
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    Garu Dyne
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    Leviathan
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    Scholar Lv 100
    I find there's a pretty big difference if you are always casting. I previously had 11k MP as SCH as well and have around that 18k number now, but everything costs more at 70 too. I play as I did before and there's a massive change in the amount of MP I have unless I pop Lucid Dreaming. However, I do remember having MP problems in early Heavensward when I previously did not in A Realm Reborn, so it could be that again and will resolve itself as time passes.

    Still, what reason was there to increase the cost of Adloquium? Did they just figure that because we had access to Lucid Dreaming, we shouldn't keep the same cost as before? Like, I get the Aetherflow change since we'd basically have infinite MP while comboed with Lucid Dreaming... but it's a bit of a puzzler to just up the cost of one of Scholar's main mechanics. Was it basically the only thing that got an MP increase in 4.0?
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