Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[Beatific]

Playing at 70 I am highly disappointed. I haven't anything to add to everything I have read so far - read this in its entirety. It's completely unacceptable to have a level 70 skill that a. Is based on rng and b. Cannot conceivably work as intended. It can't be reliable as is as an aoe heal, and can't even really be relied upon as an additional tank heal without making healing contortions to use it. Forcing you to play badly to use what should be the ultimate tool in your toolkit is insensible. The lily system is indeed a mess as many have said before. Divine Benison has potential so I am personally planning to wait and see.

[Delphinium_Consolida]

Honestly, i really wanted to see if for myself, so WHM was my first 70. I have done my best to give it a fair chance, but the majority of WHM's kit past 60 is the most disjointed, confusing and unintuitive set of ideas of which i am, quite frankly shocked to see make it past internal play testing. It's only saving grace is Thin air.

Attempting to obtain and utilise lilies in an active way seems to put me in a position of acting in an entirely unpragmatic manner within encounters. Whereas disregarding lilies completely makes you feel as if nothing has fundamentally changed from playing as a level 50/60 healer, but allows you to do so much more without feeling stupid for fishing for lilies and trying to be 'smart' with cooldowns. Which at that point, you might aswell hide your lily gauge and pretend you have another form of 'secret of the lily II' trait, because essentially that's what it is.

And the utter farce that is Plenary Indulgence, with its unintuitive stack display on the party buff window. (God forbid you have TWO whitemages in the same party set up. I thought they wanted to streamline buffs with the JOB GUAGE) It's nice to have that extra cure i guess, but it feels so clunky and yet another thing locked behind cure 1/2 rng spam.

All in all, I've really given it a fair chance, but i won't be using it. I'm already a 68 AST which is FAR more fun to play and actually has additions to its job that make SENSE.

Thank you.

[Xaen]

Playing at 70 I am highly disappointed.

I agree with you on the disappointed part but only with the Plenary Indulgence and the confession stacks.

Something I wrote in another thread.

There is one aspect of WHM that I do not like and this would be Plenary Indulgence.

I find it to be too random and not have any specific relevance in relation to the actual mechanics of the class.

Plenary Indulgence needs to be re-worked in some fashion although I would have to see what it is like in raiding scenarios.

I said it in the WHM thread as a suggested change but something like a link to the actual Lilly mechanic where there is an extended duration of the plenary Indulgence buff based on how many lillys you have or something along those lines.

The other option is just to make plenary indulgence work with the Lilly Mechanic and having the heal based on a number of Lilly's you have.

I will give it the positive aspect of the actual heal is that it does not invoke the GCD giving you an extra heal.

An additional change that could be considered is adding a chance to Divine Benison that would cast a shield on the WHM it is a bit of an RNG wall which I am complaining about with the Plenary Indulgence but then again it would work with the mechanics that are given to us.

You could even instead of the WHM give it a chance to cast the shield on a party member with the lowest HP.

The cooldown reduction on Assize and Tetragrammaton are a welcome change.

The boost on Cure Potency is actually really good and the MP Management of WHM is a lot better.

[Kethic]

I use DB on specific mechanics, and it helps. I spend most of my time DPSing, and our new abilities support that. Assize is the perfect ability, and works well with Lilies.

But damn if Lilies don't make me waste a ton of gcds. And Plenary just isn't useful as it stands; I would rather spend another cure2 for the Lily and higher potency.

[Nicodemus_Mercy]

After playing with Plenary Indulgence since hitting 70... I can honestly say the skill is as bad as I expected it to be. It's rare that I have a confession on one person, let alone 2 or more. For the pinnacle whm skill of the expansion, Plenary indulgence is such a disappointment. This skill need some serious reworking to have any serious and thoughtful use.

[Verdan]

We should get confessions as our second mechanic instead of secret of the lily 2. They should DO something, like maybe increase defense and magic defense, or increase healing taken, or who knows what else, it could be a hot itself. Indulgence should then extend the duration of that buff instead of consuming it. And you complete the mechanic circle by gaining confessions when someone is healed by the OGCDs that the lilies reduce the cooldowns of.

[snuggans]

Plenary Indulgence and Divine Benison are underwhelming.

Plenary Indulgence is a free and instant mini-cure1 you can toss to the tank occasionally, if you get lucky with confessions. wow. this is a lvl 70 job ability.

Divine Benison is the replacement to Stoneskin which was taken away for unknown reasons. Square Enix said that with Stormblood they were trying to remove the rarely used or useless abilities, then they gave us these near useless replacements. OK

except that Divine Benison is worse than Stoneskin because it has a 30 second cooldown unaffected by spell speed and it's pre-casting capabilities are weak since it has a duration of 15 seconds, it is not improved by having more than 1 lily, but it still spends all the lilies. and you have to set it up first by casting Cures

also healers got wrecked when it comes to role actions.. Protect, Esuna, and Lucid Dreaming as role actions? bravo, bravo!

[Thrivaios]

Having gotten my WHM to 70 and gotten through more than a dozen dungeons and trial runs with the new skills there isn't much I can add here that hasn't already been said. My only real recommendation is to make it easier to get confession stacks for Plenary (please god change the name!) Maybe adding a 5% chance to regen and medica 2 ticks for a total stack of 10% likelihood. Since these abilities are cast more frequently and either do or are more likely to hit everyone, it would have so much more benefit. Raise the CD or lower the potency in exchange, but this skill as it stands should never be counted on. It is way more of a "nice to have" ability than a "need to have" one.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

Just got my WHM to 70 today. I also completed both ex primals and expert dungeons.
Thought I'd chime in with my opinion too.



I can't believe how clunky and impractical the confession system is.
Starting from the very top, you can't even read the remaining time for confessions. You have to go to their name just to see if the buff is about to fall off or not, which is extremely annoying. Confessions shouldn't fall off at all.

As for the RNG around it, 20% chance to get one only from a very small part of your healing toolkit is ridiculous. It's not uncommon for me to go an entire boss fight and not get even 2 procs, taking into consideration how often I directly cast heals, let alone a stack of 3 for the full potency. It's much more realistic to use Plenary at 1 stack, which equals up to a 400 potency heal, which is straight garbage not matter how you look at it.

And you would think this would all work better in raids because of how much you heal, but I actually have made EVEN LESS use of confessions in raids than I have in dungeons. Raids consists of high AOE dmg above tons of single target tank damage, so you'll find yourself casting Medica more than anything.

Several things needs to happen to the Confession system for it to be a strong addition to the WHM kit.

-The timer needs to DISAPPEAR.

There's no reason for this to be on a timer, seriously. It only makes using the mechanic that much more annoying.

-It needs a proc buff

20% is very silly. You can sit there spamming Cure II on the tank for over 15 seconds and not get a single proc. I've done it before! The most I've went without getting a proc from cure spam is 26 seconds.
Just put it at 50% for a confession stack.

-It needs a potency buff

One stack of Confession is less than a cure...Three stacks is less than a Cure II. For all the trouble we go through to get this thing going, the least we can get is a extremely potent heal.

-It needs a better way to AOE heal

We can all agree on this. The AOE implementation of this mechanic is garbage. It's hard enough to get a stack on a tank, let alone multiple DPS.
I think it would be perfect if the effect of Clemency was taking and implemented here. Full heal for the target, gradually lower healing for the rest. So a 600 potency heal may end up being 300 potency for the rest of your party, which is fine.

-It needs an added benefit

Having confessions alone on your target doesn't do anything, but what if it gave a healing buff, or small mitigation or something of the sorts to better make it feel like it's worth building these things up in the first place?
With the Lily System (which is flawed in it's own ways), you have to choose between CD reduction, or Bension. Why not choose if we want to leave Confessions stacks on a member for buffs, or exhaust it for a heal?
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Honestly this entire system feels more like it's working against the healer rather than working with it. AST and SCH are both allowed to have extremely powerful skills at their disposal without much penalty, but with WHM there's so many loops and jumps you have to go through just to be rewarded with mediocre healing in a single target.

It just doesn't feel good at all.

[Evumeimei]

If they would just make adjustments to Plenary and Confession stacks, that'd be golden. I've been enjoying WHM besides that. I actually don't mind Divine Bension, as the instant cast shield can be useful, but I really wish it wouldn't use up all the Lily stacks. I almost feel like the lilies should work like aetherflow stacks, where an action relating to them only uses up one.