The Ifrit Fight is Dangerous to the Community.

[SilvertearRen]

Ok, now for a serious comment/question.

Why the hell does this matter?
You can do the same.exact.thing. practicing on hard mode Ifrit, and when you finally do win, you can have drops. Why do you need a practice Ifrit that supplies you with nothing, not even the knowledge of how to beat the HARDER Ifrit.

There's no point. Seriously, there just isn't.

Because if we can't get past 50%, how are we supposed to learn the second half of the fight? By repeatedly dying as we finally get him to 45%, 40%, etc, etc.... How many hours are you expecting me to put in on the highest-tier difficulty, when it would save more time and stress by having it start with the lower tier and then moving up through the middle tier to the final tier?

You don't learn Calculus before you learn basic Addition and Subtraction.

Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida
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wow this quote.. was this in jp forums...... you guys are sad.

If anything I'm saying is a "personal attack", feel free to point them out - I'm simply seeing a lot of rigid mentalities on the forums that do not have the ability to consider and accept the concept of a multiple-difficulty-level option for endgame content as a means of providing a learning curve for those who have limited time and would like a low-stress experience.

Note that I said "concept", not "in practice"...

[Alerith]

Because if we can't get past 50%, how are we supposed to learn the second half of the fight? By repeatedly dying as we finally get him to 45%, 40%, etc, etc.... How many hours are you expecting me to put in on the highest-tier difficulty, when it would save more time and stress by having it start with the lower tier and then moving up through the middle tier to the final tier?

You don't learn Calculus before you learn basic Addition and Subtraction.



If anything I'm saying is a "personal attack", feel free to point them out - I'm simply seeing a lot of rigid mentalities on the forums that do not have the ability to consider and accept the concept of a multiple-difficulty-level option for endgame content as a means of providing a learning curve for those who have limited time and would like a low-stress experience.

Note that I said "concept", not "in practice"...

Fighting a weaker Ifrit is not going to prepare you for the actual fight.

If Ifrit deals less damage with Hellfire on your weaker version, then you don't get the experience of having to cure everyone before they eat another attack. You don't deal with the real situations that heavily damaging attacks will bring.

So you beat one star Ifrit. That isn't going to teach you squat.

[SilvertearRen]

Fighting a weaker Ifrit is not going to prepare you for the actual fight.

If Ifrit deals less damage with Hellfire on your weaker version, then you don't get the experience of having to cure everyone before they eat another attack. You don't deal with the real situations that heavily damaging attacks will bring.

So you beat one star Ifrit. That isn't going to teach you squat.

Actually, it can. Stress actually makes it harder for me to memorize things.

EG content should not be easy, is it ever in any game? No spoon feeding.

Am I asking to be spoon-fed the highest-difficulty fight? No. I'm simply asking for a learning curve in the fight that will allow me to memorize the circumstances without being stressed so much. When I was doing Dzemael Darkhold, sometimes, I would forget where I was supposed to stand when fighting the Ogre. Behind? To the side? In front? Derp?

Seriously. I hate it when people think everybody has a perfect memory and has the ability to be just as skilled as they are...

[Forerunner]

Actually, it can. Stress actually makes it harder for me to memorize things.

How hard is it to memorize "Don't stand in the fire" or "Don't try and catch a charging Ifrit"?

[Etienn]

Actually, it can. Stress actually makes it harder for me to memorize things.



Am I asking to be spoon-fed the highest-difficulty fight? No. I'm simply asking for a learning curve in the fight that will allow me to memorize the circumstances without being stressed so much. When I was doing Dzemael Darkhold, sometimes, I would forget where I was supposed to stand when fighting the Ogre. Behind? To the side? In front? Derp?

Seriously. I hate it when people think everybody has a perfect memory and has the ability to be just as skilled as they are...

ok let us stick a target in raid 45/ifrit battle that is a bright an green as an arrow from the game The Sims and points to tell you where to stand, and how to adjust, and a tutorial on staying alive in both battles.

There you go then you do not have to worry about being spoon fed tough content, since you bought it back to zero with spoon feeding.

[Jynx]

Actually, it can. Stress actually makes it harder for me to memorize things.

There is a perfectly stress free option to learn the fight, it's called Youtube. You claim you can't even memorize it then as well, perhaps you need to accept your just not cut out for content that has a even remote difficulty requirement.

You have created multiple threads about how this game is "Stress" inducing to no end, perhaps you need to pick up another hobby if you don't have the time or mental fortitude to play this MMO. There are plenty of other MMO's out on the market, many of wich follow your ideals, why not support them instead of trying to blindly bash you head against the wall in this game.

You have gone beyond mere suggestions to flat out insults to the developers, not everyone is going to catter to your exact whims and fancies. Suggesting a idea is one thing, forcing it onto others is another thing entirely.

Suggest your idea and let the conversation grow from there, don't crutch on your own personal issues to expand on the arguement. Your only argument is that you and your group can't seem to beat the battle despite all the tools and options available to you to learn the fight.

Not only is the fight have no re-entry requirement, you don't lose a damn thing when you die (Durabillity oh nos). As it stands SE has gone leaps and bounds to make the fight pretty damn easy to engage, it's not their fault that the community decides to popularize the easiest setup, nor is it their fault you are unable to do what a majority of players can LEARN.

[SilvertearRen]

There is a perfectly stress free option to learn the fight, it's called Youtube. You claim you can't even memorize it then as well, perhaps you need to accept your just not cut out for content that has a even remote difficulty requirement.

You have created multiple threads about how this game is "Stress" inducing to no end, perhaps you need to pick up another hobby if you don't have the time or mental fortitude to play this MMO. There are plenty of other MMO's out on the market, many of wich follow your ideals, why not support them instead of trying to blindly bash you head against the wall in this game.

You have gone beyond mere suggestions to flat out insults to the developers, not everyone is going to catter to your exact whims and fancies. Suggesting a idea is one thing, forcing it onto others is another thing entirely.

Suggest your idea and let the conversation grow from there, don't crutch on your own personal issues to expand on the arguement. Your only argument is that you and your group can't seem to beat the battle despite all the tools and options available to you to learn the fight.

Not only is the fight have no re-entry requirement, you don't lose a damn thing when you die (Durabillity oh nos). As it stands SE has gone leaps and bounds to make the fight pretty damn easy to engage, it's not their fault that the community decides to popularize the easiest setup, nor is it their fault you are unable to do what a majority of players can LEARN.

Neither is it my fault when everybody jumps on me because I can't recall things easily under pressure. I don't care if people call me names, call me gimped, or even call me a f*cking utterly stupid retard. I don't care what people think of me. What I care about is whether or not players like me have the option to ADJUST THE GODDAMN DIFFICULTY so they don't end up feeling upset at the end of an unsuccessful night.

[Raijin]

Neither is it my fault when everybody jumps on me because I can't recall things easily under pressure. I don't care if people call me names, call me gimped, or even call me a f*cking utterly stupid retard. I don't care what people think of me. What I care about is whether or not players like me have the option to ADJUST THE GODDAMN DIFFICULTY so they don't end up feeling upset at the end of an unsuccessful night.

run to tank when he jumps, run out when blg flame thingy is under you, dont move when plumes, dont ws when he has eruption in queue

how is that hard to learn again?

[Alerith]

Neither is it my fault when everybody jumps on me because I can't recall things easily under pressure. I don't care if people call me names, call me gimped, or even call me a f*cking utterly stupid retard. I don't care what people think of me. What I care about is whether or not players like me have the option to ADJUST THE GODDAMN DIFFICULTY so they don't end up feeling upset at the end of an unsuccessful night.

Play a different game. And get used to disappointment. Life is full of it.

See, this is another example of bad design. Requiring players to have a specific skillset because of a dominant strategy, is another problem. WHat if you had a full party of 8 players who are straight pure classes, with no skills from other classes?

You're screwed then. How are you going to beat Ifrit? OH wait, you can't.

A lot of people who do not have the time to be running everywhere in FFXIV, will probably have one or two 50's leveled. That usually won't be enough to ensure full survival with Ifrit in the current state.

But it can be done, and it has been done. Your argument is invalid.

[Aenarion]

Neither is it my fault when everybody jumps on me because I can't recall things easily under pressure. I don't care if people call me names, call me gimped, or even call me a f*cking utterly stupid retard. I don't care what people think of me. What I care about is whether or not players like me have the option to ADJUST THE GODDAMN DIFFICULTY so they don't end up feeling upset at the end of an unsuccessful night.

so basically it's your fault, but it's not your fault?

gg

fk it, while we're at it, let's make every fight scalable to the point where a blind, deaf, developmentally challenged quadriplegic midget can solo Ifrit if he wants, with a laser gun and orbital ion cannon strikes.

hey, it's more choices right?