The Ifrit Fight is Dangerous to the Community.

[SirOleas]

But learning is hard.

[SilvertearRen]

But learning is hard.

Take your sarcasm out the door with you, please.

[Etienn]

If this is the mindset the devs have, they are essentially locking out some people in the game, and that's going to create some resentment. I don't believe in being exclusive.

You have to have versatility, more so than in ffxi. That is it, and it does not take long to get classes to 50. pre 1.19 you could have all to 50 in two months.

doing two in a month is not hard .

[Gramul]

The difference is that it is not identical to the Hyper fight, and thus does not offer players an opportunity to "learn" the fight without being unduly punished for mistakes.

Unduly?
You fail to kill the thing that wants to kill you and you are thus killed by it.

How is that an unjust punishment?

[SilvertearRen]

they did that with WoW and they lost lost close to 2 million subscriptions.

Really? Then Blizzard probably screwed up with the implementation, and/or didn't spell it out clearly enough. What I am suggesting in no way changes the original difficulty of the encounter. It also does not minimize the value of the Ifrit drops, either.

What I am trying to shoot for is a win/win situation for everyone, rather than a win/lose situation (which is the worst kind of situation IMO, compared to a lose/lose, because everybody's equal in win/win, and lose/lose)

[SirOleas]

Take your sarcasm out the door with you, please.

Take your unfounded complaints and half-baked solutions out the door with you, please.

[Raijin]

Really? Then Blizzard probably screwed up with the implementation, and/or didn't spell it out clearly enough. What I am suggesting in no way changes the original difficulty of the encounter. It also does not minimize the value of the Ifrit drops, either.

What I am trying to shoot for is a win/win situation for everyone, rather than a win/lose situation (which is the worst kind of situation IMO, compared to a lose/lose, because everybody's equal in win/win, and lose/lose)

that was the intention with WoW and see how that turned out. hell they're even gonna add easy mode because normal was too hard for some people.

that takes away from accomplishments. that takes away from your skill because all it says is "im not good enough to clear the intentended difficulty of the fight " and the "why do it hard when i can just put it on easy mode and get shiny gear"

Hard fights aren't for everyone, if you cant do them, just wait for the nerf

[SilvertearRen]

Really? Then Blizzard probably screwed up with the implementation, and/or didn't spell it out clearly enough. What I am suggesting in no way changes the original difficulty of the encounter. It also does not minimize the value of the Ifrit drops, either.

What I am trying to shoot for is a win/win situation for everyone, rather than a win/lose situation (which is the worst kind of situation IMO, compared to a lose/lose, because everybody's equal in win/win, and lose/lose)

Unduly?
You fail to kill the thing that wants to kill you and you are thus killed by it.

How is that an unjust punishment?

When you frame it that way, it perfectly makes sense. What I am trying to say is that for the lower-difficulty versions of the Hyper fight, the damage taken from Ifrit when you screw up should be reduced from the original fight's damage output. That way, you can learn from your mistakes and recover more easily. In the current Hyper fight, one mistake can cost you over half of your HP. That is brutal, and does not offer a lot of wiggle room for a learning curve for players that want to "progress" their way to actually defeating Ifrit at the original difficulty level.

[Gramul]

What I am suggesting in no way changes the original difficulty of the encounter. It also does not minimize the value of the Ifrit drops, either.

What I am trying to shoot for is a win/win situation for everyone, rather than a win/lose situation (which is the worst kind of situation IMO, compared to a lose/lose, because everybody's equal in win/win, and lose/lose)

And we're saying that not everyone should have access to everything without the proper work required to achieve it.

Equality isn't always equal and it certainly isn't always fair.

[SilvertearRen]

that was the intention with WoW and see how that turned out.

Huh. Well, those 2 million subscribers were mental midgets, then. Sorry, moderators, please let me keep my personal opinions on display, because for the love of god, I am SICK of rigid mentalities.