Seeing Red - A Complete Red Mage Guide

[soslinky]

@Silverquick

I have tested and the result is as the other people have pointed out. A GCD is a GCD, if your cast time is 1.8sec and its GCD is 2.4sec then regardless of Dualcast you will have to wait 2.4sec upon hitting that Jolt button before you can activate the succeeding skill. Perhaps your framerate or ping is horrendous and this is causing you to see the cast time of Jolt being the same with its GCD-- it's not. Please refrain from declaring ocular observations as fact because this leads to misinformation. I have performed Jolt>Veraero/Verthunder and I do feel the delay(as it should, as stated by the actual CT/GCD numbers) before the dualcasted Veraero/Verthunder activates. I can do it multiple times with the same result. So it isn't some kind of wild guessing.

I think you need to brush up on your definition and understanding of Cast Time and Global Cooldown(Recast). Dual cast does not turn Global Cooldown to Instant nor does it reduce it. Having Dual Cast just means that the next spell after Jolt will have no Cast Time but still retain a GCD. Upon hitting the keyboard button you assigned for Veraero/Verthunder, while it does deal damage instantly thanks to Dual Cast, you will still have to wait for the GCD to finish before you can cast the next spell.

[Silverquick]

@Silverquick

I have tested and the result is as the other people have pointed out. A GCD is a GCD, if your cast time is 1.8sec and its GCD is 2.4sec then regardless of Dualcast you will have to wait 2.4sec upon hitting that Jolt button before you can activate the succeeding skill.

Well that's not happening and as I said, I literally did test it. Multiple times.

Are we really sure here that the Dual Cast isn't functioning as a Proc rather than an actual spell with a GCD.

[Parawill]

Well that's not happening and as I said, I literally did test it. Multiple times.

Are we really sure here that the Dual Cast isn't functioning as a Proc rather than an actual spell with a GCD.

Semantics, but really, more or so because it doesn't make sense. Dual Cast is not a proc. It is not a programmed random occurence. It is guaranteed after any hardcasted spell, thus making it not random whatsoever. In addition to this, all Dual Cast does is make the next GCD spell instant. Cast time has nothing to do with the global cooldown as that restricts the number of actions we can do at a specific time frame.

So if we have a GCD of 2.5 seconds and the cast times are 2.5, we can get two skills within the time frame of 5 seconds. If we have a GCD of 2.5 seconds, and our cast times are 1.5, we are still locked within the global cooldown, thus letting us only cast only two skills because 2.5 GCD per skill equates to 5 seconds. If we have no cast time and our GCD is 2.5 seconds, we still can only cast two spells within 5 seconds.

The only thing cast speed does in relevance to the GCD is that Red Mages damage at a different frequency/rate than any other class because they cast into insta-cast frequently, thus they get two skills within cast time + instant cast animation, but are still locked within the 5 second GCD (using the example numbers from above).

[Silverquick]

Semantics, but really, more or so because it doesn't make sense. Dual Cast is not a proc. .

Not necessarily...

If it were treated akin to a proc, and not an actual spell cast with a GCD, it would exhibit the same type of behavior I am seeing.

You could insta-cast immediately after your first spell... and ignore the CD, and set everything into cooldown.

So yes, I think its a very valid.

We may be approaching this from entirely the wrong angle.

[Tide]

Well that's not happening and as I said, I literally did test it. Multiple times.

Are we really sure here that the Dual Cast isn't functioning as a Proc rather than an actual spell with a GCD.

When you cast a spell and follow with a dualcasted instant spell you should be seeing the cooldown pinwheel on the skill icons spin twice. Honestly, if you are still arguing that it isn't doing that then I'm afraid I'm going to need to see a video of you doing your test in order to believe/understand what you are saying is happening.