DRK AoE threat in dungeons

[Falar]

I haven't had much of a issue holding hate, but it is indeed no where near as fun pulling more than 3 groups of enemies. With the return on BP so poor, you can't even sustain yourself with AD anymore. I know this is SE'S way of trying to curb mass pulling, but it was the one thing I enjoyed greatly on DRK.

Not to mention we lost quite a lot to our toolkits, it seems we will have to completely revamp the way we play.

Yes, massive pulls in Dungeons were my specialty and with Blood Price being garbage, no more DA-DD, Dark Passenger nerfed, etc there went my favorite aspect of Dark Knight. THe impossible pulls that people said couldn't be done were what made me motivated to do them. Now, no more.

[Mnemosynia]

I haven't had much of a issue holding hate, but it is indeed no where near as fun pulling more than 3 groups of enemies. With the return on BP so poor, you can't even sustain yourself with AD anymore. I know this is SE'S way of trying to curb mass pulling, but it was the one thing I enjoyed greatly on DRK.

Not to mention we lost quite a lot to our toolkits, it seems we will have to completely revamp the way we play.

Theres nothing to revamp.
Its DA everything now, thats about it quietus makes no sense in our rotation if we are tanking.

[Esp]

Yes, massive pulls in Dungeons were my specialty and with Blood Price being garbage, no more DA-DD, Dark Passenger nerfed, etc there went my favorite aspect of Dark Knight. THe impossible pulls that people said couldn't be done were what made me motivated to do them. Now, no more.

I am quite curious though, and I would like to get as much feedback as possible. How many of us have tried doing your usual pre 4.0 mass pull and what was the result? (Doesn't matter the dungeon)

I tried doing so in Sohm Al NM during a roulette with my waifu, and even cycling thru my cooldowns, it seems the healer I had just wasn't able to keep me up, and we wiped the first two pulls. Granted said healer didn't have protect as a Role Skill option because of god knows why..

Regardless, I had been able to do those pulls easily until after the patch..so I am wondering if things really did change THAT much that we need to do smaller pulls from now on?

[Esp]

Theres nothing to revamp.
Its DA everything now, thats about it quietus makes no sense in our rotation if we are tanking.

I just got Quiets and have yet to even test it since the bottleneck for MSQ and leveling taking so long..

[Falar]

I am quite curious though, and I would like to get as much feedback as possible. How many of us have tried doing your usual pre 4.0 mass pull and what was the result? (Doesn't matter the dungeon)

I tried doing so in Sohm Al NM during a roulette with my waifu, and even cycling thru my cooldowns, it seems the healer I had just wasn't able to keep me up, and we wiped the first two pulls. Granted said healer didn't have protect as a Role Skill option because of god knows why..

Regardless, I had been able to do those pulls easily until after the patch..so I am wondering if things really did change THAT much that we need to do smaller pulls from now on?

As far as defense goes I feel stronger than ever. It is the offense that gives me pause.

[Nabian]

I feel that single target because of the HP drain on Soul Eater I feel much more sustainable. On multi-target, however, I do feel weaker. Not being able to regenerate MP the same as before was a big let down. Are any of you spamming AD non-DA to try and keep hate on multi-targets? Just trying to figure out what the most effective method for maintaining hate is. I agree with others that Quietus feels worthless.

[Mnemosynia]

As far as defense goes I feel stronger than ever. It is the offense that gives me pause.

How so? Unless you never did you cross class skills we have less mitigation tools and by proxy we are less tanky we lost bloodbath with warriors too you know.

[eagledorf]

Since they've removed our attack power scaling from VIT, the only way to increase your threat output is to put back on your STR accessories from 3.0 and keep them on forever. That's what I've been doing and it's no problem for dungeons.

The primals seem to hit harder now though so if you MT you may want some VIT, I dunno.

[Jimsvaliant]

It's incredibly easy to regain mana with buffed SS but blood price feels so weak.

I feel like my single target dps is better but my AoE suffers a lot. I just Abyssal spam with an occasional non-DA Quietus.

[Mnemosynia]

It's incredibly easy to regain mana with buffed SS but blood price feels so weak.

I feel like my single target dps is better but my AoE suffers a lot. I just Abyssal spam with an occasional non-DA Quietus.

Your single target dps is easier to do but its worse overall, and yes aoe tanking has intentionally been weakened by SE because they don't like massive aoe pulling.