+Healing Potency materia on weapon = no extra healing?

[Coglin]

I never said 7% of your total cure. All heal potency does is modify heals. No one said base heal is 0 or 1. If base heal is 400 and you have a 100% modifier of Heal potency then if you heal 800, and your base goes from 400 to 428 then your average heal would go from 800 to 828.

I think your fisrt fundamental flaw in your post so far, is that you appear to assume that base heal is 1, and there is know knowledge of this to be true.

[Ricepudding]

I never said 7% of your total cure. All heal potency does is modify heals. No one said base heal is 0 or 1. If base heal is 400 and you have a 100% modifier of Heal potency then if you heal 800, and your base goes from 400 to 428 then your average heal would go from 800 to 828.

I think your fisrt fundamental flaw in your post so far, is that you appear to assume that base heal is 1, and there is know knowledge of this to be true.

I am indeed making assumptions. I really wouldn't have a basis for testing at all if I didn't make a few different assumptions and then change them up, since none of this stuff was released information from SE.

I thank you for contributing to the mathematical theorycraft of healing, but your aggressive attitude isn't really appreciated.

[Coglin]

I do not understand, how was my attitude aggressive? I said nothing inflamitory, hatefull, or even slightly disrespectfull as far as I can tell.

More assumptions perhaps?

[Mrfox0707]

Hey! I'm also very interested in your findings. Thanks for the tip! Looking forward to your info.


Edit: blah guess I did not see all of this post. looks like your findings were already posted. Thanks!

[Ricepudding]

Hey! I'm also very interested in your findings. Thanks for the tip! Looking forward to your info.


Edit: blah guess I did not see all of this post. looks like your findings were already posted. Thanks!

Glad you found it helpful I'll try to update the OP with the info I've found out once I find some time.

[Aleczan]

Honestly, he's not being aggressive. His intention, I believe, is nothing but to help and make your test/conclusion more accurate,.

His tone, however, is a little bit stern, and thus might seem harsh, like an unpleased teacher talking to a student. So I understand why you feel that way. I, too, feel a tad intimidated reading his replies. LOL.


Anyway, I'm sorry your finding does not go the way you expected. I would expect the same as you too.

On an unrelated note, while I was standing in the town yesterday I saw a Lalafell spamming cure on their friend. One time I saw over 1000 HP recovered. I was busy with real life stuff ATM, so I didn't ask the person or look at their gear for you. (In fact, I just recalled seeing it just now as I read your test info.)

[Coglin]

while I was standing in the town yesterday I saw a Lalafell spamming cure on their friend. One time I saw over 1000 HP recovered. I was busy with real life stuff ATM, so I didn't ask the person or look at their gear for you. (In fact, I just recalled seeing it just now as I read your test info.)

I have done this at ifrit on my thm.....healed well over my average......the conclusion I came to was that it was a critical heal.

[Aleczan]

Critical heal sounds interesting, then. Has anyone been playing/testing with Magic Crit Rate build and find out if it's great for healing or not? Like, can we make it critical often enough to worth the trouble in boosting that stat? Maybe this can be another viable option for those who want to heal a hell lot of HP.




Thank you very much. It is indeed a helpful information. So I can decide for myself better about which stats to aim for while playing main healer. Seems mind and 2-handed weapon is gonna be my goal for now.

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[MartaDemireux]

I use 2 handed CNJ weapon just for the crits. They most certainly do affect healing magic. When partying with similarly geared CNJs that use 1h weapon I can notice the difference in the rate we each crit, with my rate being high enough to eyeball the difference.

I did some testing in my thread (Stats and you!) on cures. I'll quote myself and put it here since it seems useful to share. I hadn't leveled high enough for Cure 3 at the time of the post but was 41 or 42 I think.

I played around with Healing Magic/MND with Cure II and it seems:
199MND + 311Healing Magic gave me a low of 373, an average of 392 and a crit of 450
193MND + 301Healing Magic gave me a low of 362, an average of 374 and a crit of 460
179MND + 306Healing Magic gave me a low of 362, an average of 370 and a crit of 450
173MND + 296Healing Magic gave me a low of 348, an average of 360 and a crit of 440

So it appears that the higher the Healing Magic, the higher the floor; the higher the MND the higher the crit and potency (in general). However I have reason to believe that the recipient stats effect the potency as well. Casting with MND179 + 306Healing Magic on a level 17 Gladiator gave me a low of 346, an average of 350 and couldn't get a crit. No idea what stat (or maybe the level itself) is the culprit though, but it may be like FFXI's Dancer with user's MND versus recipients VIT...

[Synfrag]

Slightly off the topic of Healing Potency materia. Critical materias such as Critical Attack, and Critical Magic it seems are a 1:1 with what it says. As Coglin pointed out, an increase of say 7% will give you the numeric value of that percentage in effect for your healing magic rather than a 1:1 face value which isn't much different.

I had Critical Attack stacked to 60 on my PGL and vs. equal level mobs my Crits went up by 40-60 dmg, now with Criticals, we have no known base value so this is assumed to be a 1. I have not tested Magical Crit but friends have and they reported basically the same results.

This leads me to the belief that materia is actually priced ass backwards right now and Stat materia is actually the way to go. I would test it first of course but I have a feeling stacking MND will have better results for healers. I say this assuming critical calculations take into account total MND vs. Base and then add the equipment MND as a modifier. I could be completely wrong here. I'm switching my PGL Crit set over to STR to see if my assumptions are correct and that should translate for the most part to what MND will do for your average heals and crits.

My CNJ is only 34 and I don't plan to invest anything into materia until we are dead certain what roles the mages will play.