Boycotting Warrior 4.0 (Let's do it!)

[ZaqueXIII]

In this change war was by far hit the hardest.

As it stands in terms of new Abilities there is so little advantage to using either as far as i'm aware.In the upheaval ability it says "Potency also affected by Maximum HP-increasing effects granted to self" does this mean that it does more than 300 potency when in defiance and under the thrill of battle effect, if so, Great Upheaval rocks, it shouldn't say stuff like "potency decreases as own HP decreases" that insinuates that the skill is basically useless outside of being at full health which is most of the time for a tank as they are supposed to get hit(we need more concrete stuff than that and "absorbs a portion" these are skills we rely on don't be coy). Onslaught is dead to me. Shake it off is niche and inner release feels like "OK guys so everything else is pretty meh and we took alot of your self-sustain... but hey now you can fell cleave even more... no need to say anything, your welcome"

[konpachizaraki]

for me it's clear SE doesn't even want the tanks to have a good balance, they want 1 to dominate the other in 1 expansion, then in the next expansion they turn that job into utter shit and give all the good stuff to other job so people will roll over to that job
meaning in 5.0 either WAR will be good again or it's DRK turn

[SarianDracon]

I started in ARR with the Warrior and it was my favourite tank class, until now. I used to spam flash and overpower to hold a lot of enemies. It was really fun to me handling the mp and tp costs. But at the moment it seems to me warrior has the highest tp costs of all classes (why does he have 70tp for the damn first attack and high costs for overpower, which is his aoe pull), no use for mp and nearly no possibility to refill his tp. The new role skill has a 90 sec cooldown and a really short range, which makes it useless to me. At this point I think it´s really hard now to tank as a warrior. Paladin seems to be buffed so high. Less tp costs, use of mp, more aoe skills, more attack power on his skills. And like other people say, spamming fell cleave is just damn boring.

[Sumfinwong]

I'm about 50/50 with the changes, but i still do strongly believe that Square's so called "balancing" of the three tanks really needs to be looked over again.

[Alaude]

As it stands in terms of new Abilities there is so little advantage to using either as far as i'm aware.In the upheaval ability it says "Potency also affected by Maximum HP-increasing effects granted to self" does this mean that it does more than 300 potency when in defiance and under the thrill of battle effect, if so, Great Upheaval rocks -snip-

Can confirm, Upheavel does more damage with Thrill of Battle and Defiance.

As a side note, maybe instead of focusing on min/maxing DPS for a Tank class and wanting to boycot it (I clearly want to state that I do not support this boycot thread) we should just try it out at 70 and also keeping the fun factor of playing a class in mind.

[Ghostrage]

As a Warrior main this thread is depressing .... Currently leveling my WAR and wondering if i made a poor class choice at this point.

[konpachizaraki]

Can confirm, Upheavel does more damage with Thrill of Battle and Defiance.

As a side note, maybe instead of focusing on min/maxing DPS for a Tank class and wanting to boycot it (I clearly want to state that I do not support this boycot thread) we should just try it out at 70 and also keeping the fun factor of playing a class in mind.

does the damage get higher if you use unchained? and in these 2 situation which upheaval deal more damage?, in deliverance(with Thrill up) or in defiance(with thrill and unchained up)

[Alaude]

As a Warrior main this thread is depressing .... Currently leveling my WAR and wondering if i made a poor class choice at this point.

I'm leveling it too, it's a lot of fun, if you like Warrior give it a try! Don't let others opinions bring you down. I'm at 64 atm and have Onslaught and Upheavel and it is sooo much fun to charge and punch things!

does the damage get higher if you use unchained? and in these 2 situation which upheaval deal more damage?, in deliverance(with Thrill up) or in defiance(with thrill and unchained up)

Upheavel ignores Defiance damage reduction so it doesn't work with Unchained. It does more damage with Defiance than with Deliverance, this because Defiance also counts as an HP enhancement for yourself.
Best damage for Upheavel = Defiance + Thrill of Battle + Berserk + Maim + Storm's Eye

[Tagihi]

i still have to much love for warrior, but one thing i kinda disslike tho is when warrior swop between stances and lose 50 Grudge that ican be abit salty.

[aqskerorokero]

But at the moment it seems to me warrior has the highest tp costs of all classes (why does he have 70tp for the damn first attack and high costs for overpower, which is his aoe pull),

So equilibrium remains the same, in 3.0 it was 1 of those skill that "blue icon dps" praised warrior for being almost no tp issue whatsoever. For all 3 tanks Paladin is still the tanks with tp issue, no tp generation/tp mitigation ( war's equilibrium and drk's blood weapon).

And don't say Pld can spam holy spirit to regen tp, that's only natural regen, with 6x fc war does the same spam without consuming tp.

I tried the new warrior, it does feel more tanky compared to 3.0. Why so negative?

Drks should be complaining about the changes, but from what I see only aggressive tanks are unhappy, all pro turtle style ( all tanks) they look fine