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  1. #1
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    Venjamin's Avatar
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    R'vehn Belanger
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    Faerie
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    Red Mage Lv 81

    But it's a sword.

    I am so jazzed about having RDM. I love spellcasters with swords.

    So why, exactly, are RDM's not allowed to use said sword outside of the GCDs? I can't even get in close for auto attacks without losing dual cast. ;_;

    I just want to stick them with the pointy end between spells.
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    Advent Shadowsoul
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    Zalera
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Venjamin View Post
    I am so jazzed about having RDM. I love spellcasters with swords.

    So why, exactly, are RDM's not allowed to use said sword outside of the GCDs? I can't even get in close for auto attacks without losing dual cast. ;_;

    I just want to stick them with the pointy end between spells.
    their level 1 skill is a sword skill(first hit in the sword combo)... its just more optimal to use the combo to lead to the finisher because of the nature of using x amount of black/white mana with the combo for significant damage increase/have enough to cast the final nuke
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    Last edited by ADVSS; 06-16-2017 at 04:06 PM.

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    Duelle Urelle
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    Diabolos
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    Red Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by ADVSS View Post
    their level 1 skill is a sword skill(first hit in the sword combo)...
    Which is likely there because it'd make no sense to give you Jolt at lv1 if you have nothing to spend mana on once you hit 30/30 from spamming it. It's purely for making the skill spread work and nothing else.

    The sword is sadly an afterthought, since the design basically forces you to spam spells from range and then run in to hit the mob 3 times and then get away again. If you use sword skills without mana (which takes a long time to build), you're going to be dealing really low damage. Hence why the potencies are so low.

    It's a step above this, but not by much. And yes, that guy doesn't use his sword for anything at all.
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    Last edited by Duelle; 06-16-2017 at 05:56 PM.
    * The sad thing is that FFXIV turned RDM into a turret, and people think that's what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to combine sword and magic into something more, not spend the bulk of gameplay spamming spells and jump into melee for only 3 GCDs before scurrying back to the back line like good little casters.
    * Design ideas:
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    Fyce Alvey
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    Cerberus
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    Summoner Lv 100
    Red MAGE...
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    Lee Keramory
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    Famfrit
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    Conjurer Lv 100
    Can't say I'm a fan of rdm.

    Having both white and black mana is a silly concept on this, because the white mana is just nuke spells really. You have a bad cure and a raise... but so does smn. It's blm with dragoon jump, little more.

    Ffxi the rdm outside of soloing became the same too though in terms of that sword being useless.

    At least you leveled rdm starting out as a swordsman and slowly learning spells. That was cool. Here you start at 50 though with everything handed to you.

    Meh
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    R'vehn Belanger
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    Faerie
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    Red Mage Lv 81
    The cure is a boss. I love my cure. But despite being a red MAGE BOLD LETTERS ETC, red mages have always been competent melee damage dealers as well as casters, which is why I'm disappointed with the lack of mana interaction and swordplay. If it's close enough to dead, I'll embolden auto attack a bit to feel special.
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    Capriana Waterfall
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    Moogle
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    Red Mage Lv 70
    Actually I think it is the perfect balance, your sword combo when fully enchanted does awesome damage.
    As a mage you cast few spells, then jump in few swordplay actions then pull out again to cast few spells. I actually think in the concept of FFXIV (MMO), the redMAGE is very well done and balanced.
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    Duelle Urelle
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    Diabolos
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capriana View Post
    Actually I think it is the perfect balance, your sword combo when fully enchanted does awesome damage.
    I would't call gameplay skewed towards casting "perfect balance". Perfect balance would be sword skills not dealing pitiful damage on their own, the ability to combo sword skills with spells, one weakening the mob so that the other does more damage, and all of that can be done without needless yet almost forced mobility.
    I actually think in the concept of FFXIV (MMO), the redMAGE is very well done
    I'll say that compared to the other MMO hybrids that came before it, the job's design leaves something to be desired.
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    Alistaire's Avatar
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    Sargatanas
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    Blue Mage Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Fyce View Post
    Red MAGE...
    Welcome to the final fantasy series of games! It's always great to have newcomers. I know it can be confusing to hear a name like that and think of red mage as a pure mage but it's actually always been kind of a hybrid between a classic mage type and a fighter.
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    Sylvana Tenebri
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    Malboro
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    Marauder Lv 79
    Yeah, the current RDM is nothing short of a mockery. Hell, I'm pretty sure WHM and MNK got more love than RDM... the dev team spent too much time on "How can we make it flashy" and completely forgot to make it FUN.
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