So why play anything other then paladin?

[eagledorf]

Of course not, but WAR players were content with the situation in 3.0. They should not have been, they should have been asking for themselves to be nerfed like some SCH players were.

[Shurrikhan]

To be blunt I have no sympathy for WAR players. I'm only really upset for DRK because they're getting shafted out of the blue, though I think most of us knew it was coming eventually.

That's just it though. Why would there be a "had it coming"? DRK has been desirable only as imbalanced fight design favored them by through increasedly weighing damage output and through the situationally massive advantage of a spare magic mitigation CD (e.g. A4S). That's a failure on the raid's part or in the critical issue of creating obvious niches of play or counterplay (e.g. anti-magic tank), not a failure to balance the job across a general variety of content. Even Paladin had fights that gave Shelltron power alike to an "exploit". So why is DRK being nerfed? And why now of all times?

They stated a desire to raise the functionality of the less generally desireable tanks towards their more desirable counterparts. Instead, one has made the others noncompetitive options, while actually reducing the intuitive, versatile, and flexible functionality of the job they were using as an example and gimping the output of another.

[eagledorf]

"had it coming"?

That's not what I meant at all, I meant many of us could see that SE has no ideas on how to rebalance the jobs other than making DRK suck in comparison to PLD. After all, on the defensive side DRK is basically PLD for magic instead of physical (and more buttons in 3.0)

Those of us who play both sort of knew that eventually this would happen, we certainly didn't think it was a good idea, just inevitable because the concept of PLD/DRK is so badly flawed.

[Shurrikhan]

That's not what I meant at all, I meant many of us could see that SE has no ideas on how to rebalance the jobs other than making DRK suck in comparison to PLD. After all, on the defensive side DRK is basically PLD for magic instead of physical (and more buttons in 3.0)

Those of us who play both sort of knew that eventually this would happen, we certainly didn't think it was a good idea, just inevitable because the concept of PLD/DRK is so badly flawed.

Ahh, understood now. My mistake.

Personally, even playing all three heavily, I never saw anything that I thought "you know, this is probably gonna get ****ed over next expansion." I guess I still had hope? Shame on me. Well, I have been proven wrong.

[RaizeGraymalkin]

PLD got shit on the entire duration of 3.0. They get their time to shine now. I don't feel bad for WAR/DRK one bit. Especially WAR.

[BlackironTarkus]

PLD got shit on the entire duration of 3.0. They get their time to shine now. I don't feel bad for WAR/DRK one bit. Especially WAR.

Crapping on a class is not the way to do an expansion. They were aiming for balance and missed the mark entirely. PLD was only 5% behind DRK DPS anyways before, now PLD is 25% ahead of the other tanks on top of having an entire buffet of cds and utilities.

Simply turning PLD into the god tank like it's some sort of 'you get your turn next' system as if we are in pre-school is the dumbest way to balance things.

[Atreides]

Crapping on a class is not the way to do an expansion. They were aiming for balance and missed the mark entirely. PLD was only 5% behind DRK DPS anyways before, now PLD is 25% ahead of the other tanks on top of having an entire buffet of cds and utilities.

Simply turning PLD into the god tank like it's some sort of 'you get your turn next' system as if we are in pre-school is the dumbest way to balance things.

100% that, no matter how you look at it, PLD will be ahead and nothing significant changed throughout the media build. I'm really disappointed and the "calm down!" didn't help either because it's still just like we feared it would be. :|

And seriously whats up with all the hate here for Warriors? It's not like we balance the game... go complain to SE instead of going all "You had it coming!". I always hoped they would buff PLD but not nerf warrior to the ground and make pld god tier while doing that.

[InfiniDragon]

Crapping on a class is not the way to do an expansion. They were aiming for balance and missed the mark entirely. PLD was only 5% behind DRK DPS anyways before, now PLD is 25% ahead of the other tanks on top of having an entire buffet of cds and utilities.

Simply turning PLD into the god tank like it's some sort of 'you get your turn next' system as if we are in pre-school is the dumbest way to balance things.

Exactly. Anyone with this train of thought isn't helping a thing as quite frankly, it's rather backwards.

We should want all tanks to be good, not a cycling "flavor of the month" scenario.

[Illya]

Exactly. Anyone with this train of thought isn't helping a thing as quite frankly, it's rather backwards.

We should want all tanks to be good, not a cycling "flavor of the month" scenario.

Especially since balance changes come very slowly to tanks, it's more of a "flavor of the next 2 years" scenario seeing as how PLD was allowed to remain how it was for all of HW.

The healers got their own special thread with direct dev feedback for the WHM thing. It seems tanks are too used to being punched in the face all the time, it's literally our jobs, and we have so far not raised any kind of stink which is why we never get any real balance changes in a timely manner.

[SunSand]

Nobody ever made fun of Plds except for sheeps who need to be told how to play and buttheads. Drk was never that far ahead of Pld(aside from 3.0, there was less gap I think around the 3.2? buffs IDR) and was mostly picked over double War because of the non stacking utlity and LB nerf. They took magic, it can be blocked now shelltron, bulwark, and passage of arms are dank. They took reprisals and gave it to everyone. Cant cry over delirium because they took every tanks dmg debuff, which hurts War the most. Pld should now do more damage than Drk. Nobody WANTED Pld to be crap. We wanted things to be close enough to where the average joe wouldnt go, "Naw b0ss that jobs junk". Which near the end of creator it was fine till 12s. All your doing by acting like this is replacing the buttheads that didnt understand anything with Plds as them now.