"Firecrest and glass pumpkin are now available for purchase"

[Tint]

What I get from this is: "Oh no casuals are finally experiencing what raiders have been going through since 2.0!!"

i don't think "casuals" - i think you actually mean "players of lower skill", since there are causals who are raiders - will be able to clear floor 200. you need skill to clear the thing. it's maybe easier than raiding, but it's still harder than expert dungeons and 24 people raids or any other casual content. you can't memorize PotD like you can a raid. when 4 chimeras are walking towards you at once and you know they can oneshot you you have to make decisions, planning what to do in seconds and a mistake wil throw you 130 floors back.

and i dislike the "free for all" nerfs in general. i was hoping at least PotD stuff will stay as hard content since it has it's own leveling system and it's unlikely you can do it unsynched - but it seems square has found another way to destroy our hard work once more.

It's entirely possible that they will be like the music and require 200 to be cleared before becoming available for purchase just as a way to get more pillars for decorating or something

if this is actually the case, then i am fine with it. at least you have cleared floor 200 then and don't get the stuff for basically free.

[WellFooled]

I like that they eventually make things more accessible. The way I look at it, the rewards you really get from things like this are the lasting friendships with fellow FC members, the thrill of finally beating a hard boss, the growth in skill as a player. And for a couple months at least, a shiny toy that you can pose with on the ledge at Idyllshire.

That's an absolutely valid way to look at things and those intangible rewards you mentioned are valuable to be sure, but I don't think there's any reason they can't also coexist with worthwhile in-game rewards as well.

[Shougun]

Its... just a furniture and an earring... I mean.. Please, there have been other things like glamour (Allagan gear) and minions which lost real value by trimmed sacks... and people got over with it. Do the same.

I read that once and was like "yea" and then my brain kicked in and I was like "oh crap, good point". PotD has gone exactly over content and been "yoink, random reward now~! cheap 2k on the MW".. so its a bit fitting that PotD would PotD itself lol.

I have said it before but I think the rolling mountain is the right approach for Theme Park MMOs these days, so the peaks move forward and the old peaks come down - so this change does not really bother me. For spectacularly difficult items it might be good to keep plateau in mind (still roll it down the hill a bit, but also not make it the most easy thing, say for example a 20 hour grind goes to ~1/2 - 1hr instead of 10 seconds and sticks there). The rate things fall down the hill I think is good thing to argue (too fast makes everything pointless to grind cause the next item will be easy if you just wait) but I'm not really in favor of any sort of "keep it at level 11 forever" as it dies in content limbo.

[bounddreamer]

I'm honestly shocked.

I just saw your pictures in the DF thread yesterday (congrats, btw, you did awesome and you persevered!!) So I understand how fresh and grievous this is.

I'm hoping the full patch notes will reveal that the purchase method at least requires clearing the 200th floor, though I don't know how you acquire them now lol. I've only been up to floor 120, had a good group trying to clear last weekend but we didn't have time to finish due to schedules.

Sorry Hyomin, can definitely see why you're upset.

[Holy-chan]

I have never entered floor 101 of Palace of the Dead. Should I be allowed to get those items if I'm willing to dish out the money, shortcutting my way to fame? I say no! Square-Enix should not allow me to do that! Not that I'd want to, but I guess some people will.

[Keridwyn]

The best possible way to handle this would be that you can only buy these things IF you've cleared the appropriate floor. For instance I've never been below floor 100, I cannot buy the music rolls allotted to floor 150 and floor 200, they just don't show up. So if the Firecrest and Glass Pumpkin are the same then only folks who have cleared that deep will be able to buy them. Whether they make it possible to sell it on the MB.

(If it already works this way ignore me, like I said I've never been down that deep.)

[SuperZay]

The furniture lost its unique value when people started selling the set for 20 millions gil. It's untradeable but can be transferred to another player through Tenant system. Both earrings are ugly and I've never seen anyone glamouring them. I have the red one and it's just too massive.
I don't mind really if any willing people will be able to buy them for 99 potsherds.

[HyoMinPark]

Both earrings are ugly and I've never seen anyone glamouring them. I have the red one and it's just too massive.
I don't mind really if any willing people will be able to buy them for 99 potsherds.

I keep seeing this argument... is this supposed to be some sort of valid reason to allow these items to just become easily obtainable with no effort? They're ugly, so it's okay? I don't like them, so it's okay? They don't mean anything to me, so it's okay? I don't understand this. I mean, I personally love both earrings, which is why I went for them as opposed to the yard trophies (that, and my yard is full).
I think the Alexander Creator Savage weapons are all ugly; doesn't mean I think people should be allowed to get them via little effort, or that I would be okay if people could have bought them with tokens from Normal Mode.... :/

(Also, never seen anyone selling the yard trophies on my server, so I guess that's just on yours, maybe?)

I'm still hoping the purchase system is only for those who have actually cleared Floor 200. I'll find out in about 8 or so hours, I suppose.

I'm honestly shocked.

I just saw your pictures in the DF thread yesterday (congrats, btw, you did awesome and you persevered!!) So I understand how fresh and grievous this is.

I'm hoping the full patch notes will reveal that the purchase method at least requires clearing the 200th floor, though I don't know how you acquire them now lol. I've only been up to floor 120, had a good group trying to clear last weekend but we didn't have time to finish due to schedules.

Sorry Hyomin, can definitely see why you're upset.

Thank you, and I really hope so as well. I knew I probably wasn't going to be able to obtain both an A12S clear, and a Floor 200 clear before SB, so I chose to go with Floor 200 (I figured it was worth it, since I already obtained BiS for BRD), and I worked so hard and wiped so much. So yeah, my knee-jerk reaction was really because my clear was so fresh, and it just seemed like such a smack in the face.

Hopefully it's a token exchange only available to those who have actually reached Floor 200. That is more than okay with me.

The best possible way to handle this would be that you can only buy these things IF you've cleared the appropriate floor. For instance I've never been below floor 100, I cannot buy the music rolls allotted to floor 150 and floor 200, they just don't show up. So if the Firecrest and Glass Pumpkin are the same then only folks who have cleared that deep will be able to buy them. Whether they make it possible to sell it on the MB.

(If it already works this way ignore me, like I said I've never been down that deep.)

It works the same way for the earrings and trophies. I'm not thinking they'll allow them to be sold on the MB, no. I'm more concerned about them being purchasable for, say, 99 Potsherds regardless of if people have actually cleared to Floor 200 or not. I really wish Patch Notes (Preliminary or no) weren't so vague with regards to some things, because with so many other changes being made in SB (some good, but some bad), I don't think vague is the best way to go at the moment.

[Keikun]

Those 2 towers are gonna look nice in my house.

[Daisy]

Oh hey, some items lost "exclusivity" that benefit me for a change. Yup, I'm ok with this.