Who is jumping ship once they start charging in November?

[AmyRae]

What we have an issue with, is the fact that so many on here are posting 5 paragraph post, post in which all they are doing is attempting to convince us we are wrong to be willing to pay for our game.

Nope. Not what we're saying.

We're saying it looks like quite a few people, maybe even a majority if fan site polls are to be believed, are planning to go away once fees start. We're worried about the effect on the FFXIV community to see so many potential fans and customers go away for at least a year.

We're trying to bring attention to what appears to be a serious problem. It has nothing to do with how much you're willing to pay at all. It's about having enough people to support the game for the long term.

I have no problem if SE wants to raise money for the game. But it would be nice if there was also some solution or process to keep more people engaged with FFXIV over the next year.

[Alerith]

Nope. Not what we're saying.

We're saying it looks like quite a few people, maybe even a majority if fan site polls are to be believed, are planning to go away once fees start. We're worried about the effect on the FFXIV community to see so many potential fans and customers go away for at least a year.

We're trying to bring attention to what appears to be a serious problem. It has nothing to do with how much you're willing to pay at all. It's about having enough people to support the game for the long term.

I have no problem if SE wants to raise money for the game. But it would be nice if there was also some solution or process to keep more people engaged with FFXIV over the next year.

The polls really need to stop being brought up. They aren't a good source to draw speculation from, from ANY forum for EITHER side of the argument.

Secondly, SE released an entire road map of changes that are happening between now and 2.0. If that isn't enough to engage some people to stay, then they aren't going to stay no matter how much you crusade.

If people want to leave, that's fine. That's my contribution to the community. Being accepting of people who simply don't want to play.

You're acting like there is going to be this huge implosion on the servers because there is going to be such an tremendous dip in the community...

I say YOU have the problem and have no faith. I expect better of someone who parades themselves as a champion of the people. How about you show some pride in the population that IS going to stay instead of bashing them when they don't share your thoughts on polls and people not wanting to play?

Quit crusading and have some faith that the community will remain stable.

[AmyRae]

You're acting like there is going to be this huge implosion on the servers because there is going to be such an tremendous dip in the community...

The community is where the value-add of a game like this originates. It's where the art comes from, it's where services like FFXIAH come from, it's where mods like the Windower comes from, it's where wikis that help you plan your next move in the game come from.

Just to watch half of it walk away diminishes the value of the game. I should think you'd want to be more supportive in finding ways to keep more of the community around. Given the opportunity, of course.

[Betelgeuzah]

The community is where the value-add of a game like this originates. It's where the art comes from, it's where services like FFXIAH come from, it's where mods like the Windower comes from, it's where wikis that help you plan your next move in the game come from.

Just to watch half of it walk away diminishes the value of the game.

Yes, it makes perfect sense that the people who go into such lengths to provide extra services for a game like this are just as eager to quit as those who only play once in a while, if that. Half of them will walk away for sure.

[AmyRae]

Yes, it makes perfect sense that the people who go into such lengths to provide extra services for a game like this are just as eager to quit as those who only play once in a while, if that. Half of them will walk away for sure.

Well, take a look at a site like GamerEscape, formally Eorzeapedia. Back in their FFXIClopedia days, they were one of the hottest Final Fantasy communities out there. They were just known as "The Wiki."

Now they're ghost town and charges for FFXIV haven't even started yet. How are they supposed to maintain a wiki site without a community to back them up?

It isn't just the leaders that are important, it's the participation of those going to the site that keep it alive. It creates the environment for creativity and engagement. If you want to keep FFXIV alive you have to think about keeping this part of it alive as well.

I don't know what the future holds for opportunities to do that, but thinking about isolating people out of game is the wrong attitude. It's in your own interest, if you really want FFXIV to succeed, is to find ways to cultivate the community. If nothing else, I hope you can see the logic of that.

[irongripz]

Well, take a look at a site like GamerEscape, formally Eorzeapedia. Back in their FFXIClopedia days, they were one of the hottest Final Fantasy communities out there. They were just known as "The Wiki."

Now they're ghost town and charges for FFXIV haven't even started yet. How are they supposed to maintain a wiki site without a community to back them up?

It isn't just the leaders that are important, it's the participation of those going to the site that keep it alive. It creates the environment for creativity and engagement. If you want to keep FFXIV alive you have to think about keeping this part of it alive as well.

I don't know what the future holds for opportunities to do that, but thinking about isolating people out of game is the wrong attitude. It's in your own interest, if you really want FFXIV to succeed, is to find ways to cultivate the community. If nothing else, I hope you can see the logic of that.

some people don't understand that the game is on life support. that is why they keep trolling and standing up for subs and not the community. typically the people supporting subs at the moment, are people completely happy with the game, they could care less if anyone else plays the game.

they just want to be left alone on their hope and prayers that 2.0 fixes everything and pulls a miracle of being a successful mmo after having the worst launch pretty much in history of gaming. no point in trying to make them understand why we feel the way we do, or justify our reason for dissatisfaction.

[Blarp]

some people don't understand that the game is on life support. that is why they keep trolling and standing up for subs and not the community. typically the people supporting subs at the moment, are people completely happy with the game, they could care less if anyone else plays the game.

they just want to be left alone on their hope and prayers that 2.0 fixes everything and pulls a miracle of being a successful mmo after having the worst launch pretty much in history of gaming. no point in trying to make them understand why we feel the way we do, or justify our reason for dissatisfaction.

They're not trolling anymore than you are. You have an opinion of the game that they don't agree with, nor do you agree with theirs. That's not trolling. Usually a difference of opinions leads to a conversation or debate, but on these forums it leads to a myopic shitstorm that has been ongoing since launch. If you have an opinion that you publicly express, then you have to be prepared to defend it. Dismissing everyone who challenges your opinion as trolls is the wrong way to do it.

[Kafeen]

some people don't understand that the game is on life support. that is why they keep trolling and standing up for subs and not the community. typically the people supporting subs at the moment, are people completely happy with the game, they could care less if anyone else plays the game.

Who's trolling? Those who enjoy the game and come to the forums to talk about the game they enjoy playing or those who come despite not liking the game with the sole intention of starting arguments with the people here?

Of course those of us supporting the subs still care if people play the game. We just don't care if those people who don't like it don't play the game. Frankly, this would be a happier place without them.

[Cendres]

Well, take a look at a site like GamerEscape, formally Eorzeapedia. Back in their FFXIClopedia days, they were one of the hottest Final Fantasy communities out there. They were just known as "The Wiki."

Now they're ghost town and charges for FFXIV haven't even started yet. How are they supposed to maintain a wiki site without a community to back them up?

You're comparing a community from when a game was doing great and for years with a community that had to suffer through a bad launch and a year of revamp with little content added. Two vastly different things. Eorzeapedia is doing better then I would anticipate and the rest of GamerEscape is slowly getting life blown back into it with Aetheryte Radio becoming active again.

Cultivating the community is one important thing and hopefully they find ways of doing that with events and such, however this game needs to be supported by it's clients. It loses money every single day that goes by and if you really are a fan you won't mind putting in 12 dollars a month for the base fee. As far as I know that is still the payment plan is it not? Cheaper then most P2P games out there.

Charging also tells outsiders that the game has come to a point where it's worth something and is being actively supported and updated. A very important thing when MMO revenue is partly earned through their image.

@irongripz. There's an easy to stop a circling debate; you stop hitting the reply button.

[irongripz]

. It loses money every single day that goes by and if you really are a fan you won't mind putting in 12 dollars a month for the base fee. As far as I know that is still the payment plan is it not? Cheaper then most P2P games out there.

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Charging also tells outsiders that the game has come to a point where it's worth something and is being actively supported and updated. A very important thing when MMO revenue is partly earned through their image.

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@irongripz. There's an easy to stop a circling debate; you stop hitting the reply button.

and yet again the stfu or quit answer. one sided debate if i respond to this way i want to...

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