The glamour system is awful. We deserve an overhaul.

[Naunet]

Well I don't... I'd rather have real content instead of making this game more like a Barbie dress up simulator. I agree with Yoshida, there are more important things to work on. People can use glamour prisms to change the look of their characters already.

As I've said before - what good is content when I can't store anymore armors? My #1 motivation for running content in MMOs is to collect cool/pretty/etc armors and weapons. A glamour log is absolutely critical - and it affects far more than just playing dress up.

[TaranTatsuuchi]

I would rather have ANY form of new content instead of the devs working on glamour books that would only mainly benefit one server..... BALMUNG.

Many people benefit from glamor, not just Balmung.
In fact, you yourself have glamored gear on...

People need to stop asking about a Glamour Log or whatever. It got brought up again today at E3, and again was rejected as not viable for FFXIV's systems.

So maybe instead of clinging to the notion and bringing it up at every opportunity, we should instead try asking the developers on what their take on a better system might be?

It was not rejected as an idea.
Yoshi stated they were talking internally about what kind of system they could do.

They said they couldn't just store all that item data on the character and transfer it every time they change zones. (Sounds like a rather iffy system to me...)

But, if we compromise and drop the ability to glamor anywhere, we could then have a specific item or npc that would allow us to glamor.
And that would keep all the glamor log data seperate from the character and only need it to be brought up when the character wanted to add items to the log, or to glamor an item.

The same way the retainers are coded.



I know I have gotten to the point where I just can't spare the space to keep glamor gear on me, and have to stop at my retainers to glamor anyway.

[Driavna]

Sure we need something better and perhaps will be upgraded at some point but is not a priority. Our current system, while outdated, still works and Yoshida wants to use their resources elsewhere to please a bigger amount of players (at least that's the idea).

If this were something that really makes them lose money it will be prioritized, but ATM it's not.

[Zojha]

They said they couldn't just store all that item data on the character and transfer it every time they change zones.

Why do they even need all the item data? >_>

You need a binary that checks if you have an appearance unlocked and the data for the appearance or a functional link to it so that the prisms know which model to use.

I don't see how that is so much more data than, say, the fishing guide.

[DarkDedede]

If this were something that really makes them lose money it will be prioritized, but ATM it's not.

I can't imagine it not being a major issue for much longer. If the problem is escalating at 4.0, I'm sure the situation will be no better when 5.0 comes around.

Of course, the devs have the metrics on player behaviors, not us. There's really no telling how much of a priority it is or isn't.

[Vhailor]

Yoshi P said today they didn't want to do glamor log book because it would make save files bigger and they are constantly rewriting the save file every time you do zone or do something which would tax the servers too much. Here is a solution to that problem. Would it be possible to only write to the glamor log file if a change occurs that effects the glamor log such as getting a new piece of gear. Otherwise do not write to this file when changing zones or other stuff that causes a full save file rewrite.

Yoshi P has no idea what he's talking about in this case. It's a patently ridiculous excuse. The current Glamour system "remembers" which gear you've Glamoured already, so file sizes wouldn't be affected in the slightest on regular zones or the like. All we want is the ability to not keep the gear in our inventory (less information stored!). Nobody would complain if we had to talk to an NPC or some such in order to "set" our Glamours.

Honestly, I find the excuses to be the most annoying part of all this. They're so ridiculous, so unbelievable, that they are downright insulting. If the dev team doesn't want to do it, just tell us so.

[SendohJin]

Why do they even need all the item data? >_>

You need a binary that checks if you have an appearance unlocked and the data for the appearance or a functional link to it so that the prisms know which model to use.

I don't see how that is so much more data than, say, the fishing guide.

because they built a system where right now my Company Tabard is dyed Royal Blue and i can glamour it onto anything and it's still Royal Blue. if it's like the fishing guide you wouldn't be able to do that, you would have to redye the piece every time after you glamour it. so they built a system that's more robust and more complicated than they needed it to be and it comes with these other limitations that are hard to work around without working the entire system back.

it's a lot like housing and the Chocobo Companion, they had all these ideas for it and built them to be sophisticated and it's really difficult for them to walk it back. they had to work the Chocobo back to be not a party member before they can do things like DF with them summoned.

[Norit]

+1 To improve the current horrible glamour system.

If they want they can add an instanced place like the Glamour Shop, they can even make you go there via duty finder.

That shop would work in case you dont own the physical item so you can glamour stuff you unlocked before there then, so the old system would stay in place for people that prefers it that way and wants to have 2 retainers full of old gear only for glams lol.
Also this glamour shop would only be used to apply glam to current equipped gear, so if you have gear that you will use to other leveling classes, you gota keep that, glamour shop dont give you physical item ( that way SE can keep milking retainers for gear you really need for leveling purpose, but free space for old gear you only use for glams).

Process would be like you go in this instanced area, game loads what stuff you unlocked (honestly is just a list with all current glam items, 0 dont have it, 1 have it; i dont see it as a huge memory space), try stuff there freely, decide the final glamour, accept that glam, pay xxxx gil for the changes and leave.

For people complaining about bringing up this issue over and over, if people is not happy with the current system they must bring the attention to the devs as many times as they want, its our right.

[savageink]

This extends, to a lesser extent, to just the concept of wanting to have different aesthetics for different Jobs. The Wrangler's Set for example looks perfect for a Machinist, but few would find it fitting for a Bard.

I would. But my Bard's metal.

[savageink]

Honestly, I don't care how difficult it is. It is the number 1 feature I want in this game. If WoW can eventually do it then so can FF14. If it takes them an expansion or 2 fine, but I want the answer to, "when are we getting a glamour log like every other modern mmo?"to be, "we're working on it, it's difficult, but please look forward to it!" and not some weird waffly nonsense about ahievements.

There is nothing they could cut from the game or their content pipeline that I wouldn't happily trade for a glamour log. Casual raids? Sure whatever. Hardcore raids? Don't care. Never add anything to the gold saucer again until it's done? Great. No more experimental content like potd, diadem, or aquapolis? Fantastic. No expansion again for the 4 years it takes us to unbork our backend? Fine with me.

Yoshi P give me the dang glamour log!

I can't express how much i love this post....