MNK 4.0 Changes . . . I'm not a fan tbh

[silentwindfr]

did i have said weak? i have said that i found it inefficient because we lack in raptor an aoe for have a true rotation of aoe. in this form it's an incomplet toolkit that can be used, right, or simply ignored for focus on mono target dps, what i have said.
if they add an aoe in raptor form i will be more than interested to use rockbreaker. but in this form actually, it's not that great, it's a cool skill that have a 6 sec of cd (in best case) draining extremely fast our tp.

and one more time it was heated debate about what is the more efficient get a global dps that deal a small damage to the whole group or kill fast one target without run out of tp. it's a different way to play, both have them advantage.

all in all, if they don't improve our toolkit based on the form, rockbreaker is an imcomplete skill that will drain our tp without deal enough damage for be really usefull to the group.

and it's seems you tend to forget that they try to reduce the number of enemy pull at the same time, meaning that AoE will have less utility.

[Arcian]

did i have said weak? i have said that i found it inefficient because we lack in raptor an aoe for have a true rotation of aoe. in this form it's an incomplet toolkit that can be used, right, or simply ignored for focus on mono target dps, what i have said.
if they add an aoe in raptor form i will be more than interested to use rockbreaker. but in this form actually, it's not that great, it's a cool skill that have a 6 sec of cd (in best case) draining extremely fast our tp.

and one more time it was heated debate about what is the more efficient get a global dps that deal a small damage to the whole group or kill fast one target without run out of tp. it's a different way to play, both have them advantage.
all in all, if they don't improve our toolkit based on the form, rockbreaker is an imcomplete skill that will drain our tp without deal enough damage for be really usefull to the group.

and it's seems you tend to forget that they try to reduce the number of enemy pull at the same time, meaning that AoE will have less utility.

1. None of the melee dps have 'efficient' aoe rotations. Mnk's is the best of the lot, actually, since drg's is an even faster tp drain and nin's is just awful.
2. If you're spamming it to the point where you're running out of tp, then you're managing your tp badly.
3. There is no debate. Aoes are a dps loss on single targets and a gain on multiple mobs. Autoattacks on a single target + mnk's single-target rotation do not match up to aoe potencies multiplied by the number of mobs you're hitting with those abilities.
4. Insisting on focusing on a single target in a pack is actively detrimental to the group. It is not an advantage.
5. They're trying to cut down on our ability to pull half the dungeon at a time. Aoe is still important.
6. I'm not forgetting or debating. You're empirically wrong.

[SpeckledBurd]

Monk AOE aside, based on this video from E3, Monk still looks... terrible frankly.

Based on tool tips, Riddle of Fire still has it's de-haste effects, most of the GCDs still have their nerfs, and Tackle Mastery still...exists.

Riddle of Earth hasn't been changed at all (IE, it's still just a GL refresh, it doesn't Grant GL3, so it still has all of the issues it inherently comes with by existing) and the fight itself shows the inherent issues with the action. At 4:20 seconds (lololol) Susano goes invulnerable for exactly long enough for GL3 to fall off before coming back at 4:49, meaning most of my fears for the action were in fact warranted since nothing about the encounter design has changed and this ability will be incredibly fight specific.

What happened to trying to remove extremely Niche and useless skills for Stormblood again devs? I'd love to see an answer to this.

[Arcian]

Pretty much. As it stands, the class mechanics look godawful, and I am not optimistic about monk's prospects at launch.

[MomoOG]

Monk AOE aside, based on this video from E3, Monk still looks... terrible frankly.

Based on tool tips, Riddle of Fire still has it's de-haste effects, most of the GCDs still have their nerfs, and Tackle Mastery still...exists.

Riddle of Earth hasn't been changed at all (IE, it's still just a GL refresh, not a , so it still has all of the issues it inherently comes with by existing) and the fight itself shows the inherent issues with the action. At 4:20 seconds (lololol) Susano goes invulnerable for exactly long enough for GL3 to fall off before coming back at 4:49, meaning most of my fears for the action were in fact warranted since nothing about the encounter design has changed and this ability will be incredibly fight specific.

What happened to trying to remove extremely Niche and useless skills for Stormblood again devs? I'd love to see an answer to this.

He is gaining forbidden chakra so slowly in the fight like wtf? What is the point of all this focus on forbidden chakra when it is a none factor in a fight? There is absolutely nothing new to be excited about monk after watching that video.

[YesIamAya]

because in it form it's not worth the use. you have many number but on the long run it's not easily usable nor worth the cost in tp. like i have said it's situational and you prove it.
plus like prove it by the new info about sb, they don't want us to do big pull, they make every aoe get a nerf for we play differently.

like said the Rockbreaker is lacking another skill for be good, a raptor form aoe. what we don't have, either they add one, or strip it... in this form, it's a ssituational skill barely used.

plus i have told you, i think in a pull even a big pull, it's safer to focus for reduce the number of enemy and reduce the pressure on the tank and healer. because a large part of our dps...come from auto attack that are buffed to extrem by all the self buff we do have...they focus on the skill for expect to get a maximum of dps is not the best way. yes, for short instant you get insane dps, but the monster will not die faster in the long run.

Dude dude dude, I think you have no idea what you're talking about. "large part of monk's dps comes from auto attacks"?!! What the hell does AoEing have to do with auto attacks? you still auto attack while AoEing???? Auto attack is around 20-25% of your dmg but that's cause it has 100% uptime unlike skills, even more, in a 30 secs pack, 3-4 rockbreakers would do more dmg% than auto attacks.

You want raptor form AoE for your AoE combo to be complete? so basically you're saying you actually use Arm of The Destroyer.... Using that skill is barely ever EVER worth it cause of the TP cost.

"Yes doing rockbreaker is more dps, but it doesn't make killing the mobs faster" what? what is this logic?? I'm seriously triggered now. DPS INCREASE = ALWAYS FASTER. How does this even work... I'm literally triggered af. I think you should consider going to school and relearning math.

[Arkenne]

nin's is just awful.

Hey thats not true at all D:!!
Well, I guess the general NIN is just awful with it :/

[wintercoat]

He is gaining forbidden chakra so slowly in the fight like wtf? What is the point of all this focus on forbidden chakra when it is a none factor in a fight? There is absolutely nothing new to be excited about monk after watching that video.

We already knew that the rate of TFC use was going to be super low, less than 1 a minute from Deep Meditation, so it's not a big surprise. But watching it happening just kills my motivation for monk. Like, he uses TFC, gets one chakra almost immediately after, then doesn't get a second for 12 globals, and then doesn't get the third for another 23 globals. And this is supposed to be a central part of MNK DPS in SB? What even were they thinking?

[Xau]

And this is supposed to be a central part of MNK DPS in SB? What even were they thinking?

yoshida: lets make monk play like machinist!

probably is what they though, i highly dislike what they add rng to anything, is what they can't learn what not everyone do not enjoy that?, is one of the resons i dislike machinist, and i am sure many others dislike it for that same reason too

[Arcian]

Hey thats not true at all D:!!
Well, I guess the general NIN is just awful with it :/

In comparison to the other two melee dps, it kind of is. Doton+DB spam makes me die a little inside when I need to aoe on nin.

(ngl you do have a point though, there are a lot of melee players in general who seem to have difficulty with aoe, rip)