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    Player Kosmos992k's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katryn View Post
    Mentors should be there to help new players. By the time you are at endgame you should be beyond what should fall within a mentor's responsibilities to the community. Mentors should be there to usher players into the game and community, not to serve as raid instructors. Let guilds / fcs teach their own, and people like Mr. Happy help the community at large.
    Agreed. Right now we have a situation where the majority of mentors are raiders/end-gamers and at the same time there are a lot of long term veteran players such as myself who enjoy helping new players discover the game, but don't qualify as Mentors. How do we transition the mentor system into being what it was intended to be rather than a new achievement for more hardcore players to get?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmos992k View Post
    Agreed. Right now we have a situation where the majority of mentors are raiders/end-gamers and at the same time there are a lot of long term veteran players such as myself who enjoy helping new players discover the game, but don't qualify as Mentors. How do we transition the mentor system into being what it was intended to be rather than a new achievement for more hardcore players to get?
    Only reason more mentors are raiders/endgamers is they have spammed dungeons, trials and raids more often. So doesn't it make sense that mentors should have more knowledge of the fights? Casual players will still filter in but at a more slower pace which in my opinion makes sense.
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    Player Kosmos992k's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane View Post
    Only reason more mentors are raiders/endgamers is they have spammed dungeons, trials and raids more often. So doesn't it make sense that mentors should have more knowledge of the fights? Casual players will still filter in but at a more slower pace which in my opinion makes sense.
    Sure it makes sense, but your post contains the reason I think it's a pointless condition;

    "they have spammed dungeons, trials and raids more often"

    Spamming content while overgeared doesn't teach new players a thing. All it does is show that you can overpower something. If Mentors are meant to be teaching players, then the players used to spamming content or skipping phases in trials are not the ones to be teaching new players in level appropriate gear how to handle specific mechanics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lambdafish View Post
    I know that, but say you did 1000 dungeons and got 300 comms on Tank, and you were a good tank, you can then buy a healer and DPS and pretend that you know anything about these roles without ever playing them. I know the system works as well as it can, but the point of that requirement is so that we know that the player has a well rounded knowledge of all three roles, and can make basic comments on all three, which is completely negated by the introduction of jump potions.

    Two routes could be taken, either increase the requirement to level 70, or make it so that instead of 1000 dungeon etc., it is 300 on tank, 300 on healer, 300 on dps (or both could be done).
    Spreading the dungeon/trial/raid experience requirement (number of clears) across the 3 roles appears to me to be a very sound way to handle it - along with level requirements. I'd also suggest disqualifying unsync'd runs (unless they are already ignored), we don't need players used to skipping mechanics due to overgearing to be mentors.
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