About Esuna, Exalted Detriment and Leeches change

[Ootarion]

If running DF dungeon roulettes, no skills are required. All I hear on the forums lately is that healing is barely required, so why bother taking Largesse or Protect. If I have so much down time, do I really need Swiftcast.... clearly I have the time for the full Raise cast time. Lucid dreaming is the only ability which I think I will always take.... the others are just nice to have.

Once you hit full party content, one healer will need Protect, and Swiftcast and Lucid Dreaming i will likely be staples as well. That leaves 2-3 skills open. Esuna will be based on the content you run..... swap it in when needed.

I don't see myself taking Largesse on any content lower then EX primals. The whole point of the change was to remove sub-job leveling requirements... The system achieved that and provides minimal customization as well.

Or they could just take the starting classes (before obtaining Job Stones) out of the game entirely and have just the Job Classes like Astrologian, Machanist and Dark Knight. These classes have abilities ranging all the way back to lvl 1 all the way up to the soon to be level 70 without needing to have a class that leads into it, meaning they have a plethora of innate abilities that normally carrier over from another. Case in point, whatever a Conjurer learned is also known and used by the White Mage. But instead of having Conjurer for example, just take Conjurer out and leave nothing but White Mage, Ive heard people talk about this more then once and honestly, while I understand that Pre Job classes are a thing, if Astrologian, Machanist and Dark Knight can do it, so can every other class.

Addendum: I know people are probably going to look at me and out right say no to the whole notion of removing Pre Job classes but they've already done it with AST, MCH and DRK. Truthfully the Pre Job class idea has been adding a restrictive element to the game.

[Maku]

Addendum: I know people are probably going to look at me and out right say no to the whole notion of removing Pre Job classes but they've already done it with AST, MCH and DRK. Truthfully the Pre Job class idea has been adding a restrictive element to the game.

They were not removed from AST, MCH, or DRK. Those jobs never had class requirements to start with.

The main reason they can't remove the pre-class system from all the jobs is because of Lore and the story that are tied into them. That is the only real reason they will remain because in the end this is an RPG and story/Lore is life.

[Furious]

They were not removed from AST, MCH, or DRK. Those jobs never had class requirements to start with.

The main reason they can't remove the pre-class system from all the jobs is because of Lore and the story that are tied into them. That is the only real reason they will remain because in the end this is an RPG and story/Lore is life.

They could very easily progress the class into the job from a story point of view while removing the mechanical aspects of it (soul, etc). The only one that would be a problem really is arcanist.

[Ootarion]

They could very easily progress the class into the job from a story point of view while removing the mechanical aspects of it (soul, etc). The only one that would be a problem really is arcanist.

This is what I meant Maku. I realize they were not removed from AST, MCH and DRK because they didnt have Pre Jobs, but that was the point I was making.