About Esuna, Exalted Detriment and Leeches change

[Ootarion]

If we get from the premise that you choose a role action for maximizing the DPS while keeping everyone alive (which is healer's meta since forever), you must always have:

Swiftcast : in dungeons and raids, no reasons to not have that. A dead party member is a huge DPS loss if it takes 7 secs to raise him.

Largesse : More potent healing output means less time using GCD heals means more time DPSing. Also helps with mana since less heals needed.

Lucid dreaming : AOE Holy/Gravity spam. Helps absorbing rezzing mana cost. Mandatory in raids for rez and in general. Assize's reduced CD and Ast's ewer isn't nearly sufficient if you 100% uptime DPS and heal (even without rezzing).

So for choices. Just give those 3 to all healers and give 2 choices for 7 abilities. What a joke of a system. Of all the abilities, only rescue is new. Why bother changing the current system for this one? It's EXACTLY the same system, except now it isn't tied to jobs and jobs lose some spells that they will need to reclaim anyway.

edit : For Scholars: I don't have this job leveled, so if something doesn't apply to you, i'm sorry!

I keep saying all they need to do to fix the problem with Scholar is just GIVE THEM a Cleanse and MP Regen ability akin to Shroud of Saints or Luminiferous Aether built into them without all this unnecessary Cross Role stuff, while simultaniously leaving the other healers as they are with the stuff that has always been core built into them. :/

[Ayer2015]

I keep saying all they need to do to fix the problem with Scholar is just GIVE THEM a Cleanse and MP Regen ability akin to Shroud of Saints or Luminiferous Aether built into them without all this unnecessary Cross Role stuff, while simultaniously leaving the other healers as they are with the stuff that has always been core built into them. :/

I fail to see the problem.... each healer has a built in MP regen skill and the option to take an additional via the new role skill system. SCH = Aetherflow, WHM + Asize, AST = Ewer

[Ootarion]

I fail to see the problem.... each healer has a built in MP regen skill and the option to take an additional via the new role skill system. SCH = Aetherflow, WHM + Asize, AST = Ewer

You must not know, they are planning to remove Cleansers and MP Regens from Healers, by which I am directly refering to Esuna, Exalted Detriment and Leeches for the Cleansers and Shroud of Saints and Luminiferous Aether.

Btw, if I understood you right, there is no way they would put Ewer in the Cross Role, that is one of an Astrologians 6 core Arcanuum, the cards that give Party Buffs. And they would never move Aetherflow to Cross Role nor would they do that to Assize. Doing such a thing to any of these would make even less sense then what has already been messed up by the Cross Role. Yes I havent played SB yet, but I have a very bad feeling that this Cross Role, is not gonna be fun. People keep asking me for a why, but its hard to explain something when Ive tried a dozen times and no longer have any other way I could possibly explain, some people either refuse understand or they cannot understand unless they are part of those people who actually understand me.

[Ayer2015]

You must not know, they are planning to remove Cleansers and MP Regens from Healers, by which I am directly refering to Esuna, Exalted Detriment and Leeches for the Cleansers and Shroud of Saints and Luminiferous Aether.

SCH = Aetherflow, WHM + Asize, AST = Ewer are the skills the healers each have built in for MP regen in SB. That's what I meant. Lucid Dreaming is available to all healers as an additional MP regen tool, which seems fine to me.

[Ootarion]

SCH = Aetherflow, WHM + Asize, AST = Ewer are the skills the healers each have built in for MP regen in SB. That's what I meant. Lucid Dreaming is available to all healers as an additional MP regen tool, which seems fine to me.

As I told you, they are removing Cleansers and MP Regens from the core kits of the Healers, Lucid Dreaming is the Cross Role replacement for the MP Regens being ripped from the Healers with the exception of White Mage Assize and Aetherflow of SCH.

Addendum: What I mean by MP Regens being ripped away are the WHMs Shroud of Saints, Astrologians Luminiferous Aether, SCH didnt have a move like these but had Aetherflow and Energy Drain which are powerful MP regens on their own. Astrologian's Ewer card, while an MP Regen effect, I am not counting as it is a Randomly Drawn card that is part of the 6 Card system for ASTs

The problem with taking away Shroud of Saints from WHM and Luminiferous Aether from ASTs and throwing it into Cross Role as Lucid Dreaming is this needlessly took away a built in MP Regen from both classes, which didnt need to be done just to give SCH another MP regen when they already had 2 but if they needed another one, all they had to do was just add one to SCH as well.